Climate Change Update........

[jamil]

So it's 3+ yrs old, not IMO a valid indicator of current net worth. It could be much higher or lower. I can't find anything current.

It’s hard to find reliable precise data on the personal wealth of individuals. Especially if sources have a reason to lie. Progressives/fans of Greta will tend to downplay her wealth, and embellish the portion she gives away. Conservatives/skeptics will tend to overestimate her wealth to emphasize hypocrisy or financial motivation.

Best accuracy we can get is a range.We have the one source that says $1M on the low end. And another that claims $18M on the upper end.

Her grandfather was fairly wealthy, being a famous actor and such. But he wasn’t uber rich. He died in early 2020 and likely left Greta money/assets. The one article claimed $10M but didn’t really support that very well. She makes a lot of money from speaking fees and social media. She has millions of followers on all the platforms.

I think it’s safe to say she’s worth more than $1M and probably less than $18. Anyway, I strongly suspect she lives a much bougier lifestyle than her fans want to believe.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

We were all taught that fossil fuels came from dead dinosaurs and peat bogs. But they never explain how hydrocarbons end up all over the solar system.

 

[wtburnette]

Yep, remember how they've told us for forever that we'll "run out of fossil fuels soon". What a bunch of . The only issues we've had is with them constraining the supply with regulations and imperial decrees. If not for such things, we'd have plenty of cheap energy here in the US and be exporting tons as well, but our "leaders" want us weak.

 

[KLB]

We were all taught that fossil fuels came from dead dinosaurs and peat bogs. But they never explain how hydrocarbons end up all over the solar system.

Space dinosaurs, duh

 

[jwamplerusa]

Explain "trees" in coal? https://dnr.illinois.gov/content/dam/soi/en/web/dnr/oi/documents/july07undergroundscience.pdf


Two things can be true at once. I have a vague memory of the hypothesis discussed in The referenced Tucker video from when I was younger than now. Mostly related to theories on where to drill.

As "the science" decided to switch from "the coming ice age" to "Global warming" and fossil fuels became a bogeyman, the interest in finding more hydrocarbons not based upon the dead dinosaur methodology dropped off. Personally I think "those who matter" did not see enough upside in just finding more hydrocarbons, and doing so didn't further weaken the U.S. and support the ChiComms which was a secondary goal to just making money.

This video and the one with Dennis Quaid left me scratching my head. I am all for someone to stretch the boundaries, but at some point you begin damaging your credibility.

 

[jamil]

Does it matter? Does what we know of as fossil fuels on Earth have the same origin as the liquid methane and ethane pools found on Titan? Having a similar chemical makeup does not mean they do. If they're just pools of stuff on Earth and Titan that formed somehow, does it matter if what's here is from dinosaurs or not? Greta will still hate it.

 

[JCSR]

• This is nothing new it seems
• 1895 - Geologists Think theWorld May Be Frozen Up Again – New York Times, February 1895
• 1902 - “Disappearing Glaciers…deteriorating slowly, with a persistency that means their final annihilation…scientific fact…surely disappearing.” – Los Angeles Times
• 1912 - Prof. Schmidt Warns Us of an Encroaching Ice Age – New York Times, October 1912
• 1923 - “Scientist says Arctic ice will wipe out Canada” – Professor Gregory of Yale University, American representative to the Pan-Pacific Science Congress, – Chicago Tribune
• 1923 - “The discoveries of changes in the sun’s heat and the southward advance of glaciers in recent years have given rise to conjectures of the possible advent of a new ice age” – Washington Post
• 1924 - MacMillan Reports Signs of New Ice Age – New York Times, Sept 18, 1924
• 1929 - “Most geologists think the world is growing warmer, and that it will continue to get warmer” – Los Angeles Times, in Is another ice age coming?
• 1932 - “If these things be true, it is evident, therefore that we must be just teetering on an ice age” – The Atlantic magazine, This Cold, Cold World
• 1933 - America in Longest Warm Spell Since 1776; Temperature Line Records a 25-Year Rise – New York Times, March 27th, 1933
• 1933 – “…wide-spread and persistent tendency toward warmer weather…Is our climate changing?” – Federal Weather Bureau “Monthly Weather Review.”
• 1938 - Global warming, caused by man heating the planet with carbon dioxide, “is likely to prove beneficial to mankind in several ways, besides the provision of heat and power.”– Quarterly Journal of the Royal Meteorological Society
• 1938 - “Experts puzzle over 20 year mercury rise…Chicago is in the front rank of thousands of cities thuout the world which have been affected by a mysterious trend toward warmer climate in the last two decades” – Chicago Tribune
• 1939 - “Gaffers who claim that winters were harder when they were boys are quite right… weather men have no doubt that the world at least for the time being is growing warmer” – Washington Post
• 1952 - “…we have learned that the world has been getting warmer in the last half century” – New York Times, August 10th, 1962
• 1954 - “…winters are getting milder, summers drier. Glaciers are receding, deserts growing” – U.S. News and World Report
• 1954 - Climate – the Heat May Be Off – Fortune Magazine
• 1959 - “Arctic Findings in Particular Support Theory of Rising Global Temperatures” – New York Times
• 1969 - “…the Arctic pack ice is thinning and that the ocean at the North Pole may become an open sea within a decade or two” – New York Times, February 20th, 1969
• 1969 – “If I were a gambler, I would take even money that England will not exist in the year 2000″ — Paul Ehrlich (while he now predicts doom from global warming, this quote only gets honorable mention, as he was talking about his crazy fear of overpopulation)
• 1970 - “…get a good grip on your long johns, cold weather haters – the worst may be yet to come…there’s no relief in sight” – Washington Post
• 1974 - Global cooling for the past forty years – Time Magazine
• 1974 - “Climatological Cassandras are becoming increasingly apprehensive, for the weather aberrations they are studying may be the harbinger of another ice age” –Washington Post
• 1974 - “As for the present cooling trend a number of leading climatologists have concluded that it is very bad news indeed” – Fortune magazine, who won a Science Writing Award from the American Institute of Physics for its analysis of the danger
• 1974 - “…the facts of the present climate change are such that the most optimistic experts would assign near certainty to major crop failure…mass deaths by starvation, and probably anarchy and violence” – New York Times

Cassandras are becoming increasingly apprehensive, for the weather aberrations they are studying may be the harbinger of another ice age

• 1975 - Scientists Ponder Why World’s Climate is Changing; A Major Cooling Widely Considered to Be Inevitable – New York Times, May 21st, 1975
• 1975 - “The threat of a new ice age must now stand alongside nuclear war as a likely source of wholesale death and misery for mankind” Nigel Calder, editor, New Scientist magazine, in an article in International Wildlife Magazine
• 1976 - “Even U.S. farms may be hit by cooling trend” – U.S. News and World Report
• 1981 - Global Warming – “of an almost unprecedented magnitude” – New York Times
• 1988 - I would like to draw three main conclusions. Number one, the earth is warmer in 1988 than at any time in the history of instrumental measurements. Number two, the global warming is now large enough that we can ascribe with a high degree of confidence a cause and effect relationship to the greenhouse effect. And number three, our computer climate simulations indicate that thegreenhouse effect is already large enough to begin to effect the probability of extreme events such as summer heat waves. – Jim Hansen, June 1988 testimony before Congress, see His later quote andHis superior’s objection for context
• 1989 -“On the one hand, as scientists we are ethically bound to the scientific method, in effect promising to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but – which means that we must include all doubts, the caveats, the ifs, ands and buts. On the other hand, we are not just scientists but human beings as well. And like most people we’d like to see the world a better place, which in this context translates into our working to reduce the risk of potentially disastrous climate change. To do that we need to get some broad based support, to capture the public’s imagination. That, of course, means getting loads of media coverage. So we have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little mention of any doubts we might have. This “double ethical bind” we frequently find ourselves in cannot be solved by any formula. Each of us has to decide what the right balance is between being effective and being honest. I hope that means being both.” – Stephen Schneider, lead author of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change,Discover magazine, October 1989
• 1990 - “We’ve got to ride the global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, we will be doing the right thing – in terms of economic policy and environmental policy” – Senator Timothy Wirth
• 1993 - “Global climate change may alter temperature and rainfall patterns, many scientists fear, with uncertain consequences for agriculture.” – U.S. News and World Report
• 1998 - No matter if the science [of global warming] is all phony . . . climate change [provides] the greatest opportunity to bring about justice and equality in the world.” —Christine Stewart, Canadian Minister of the Environment, Calgary Herald, 1998
• 2001 - “Scientists no longer doubt that global warming is happening, and almost nobody questions the fact that humans are at least partly responsible.” – Time Magazine, Monday, Apr. 09, 2001
• 2003 - Emphasis on extreme scenarios may have been appropriate at one time, when the public and decision-makers were relatively unaware of the global warming issue, and energy sources such as “synfuels,” shale oil and tar sands were receiving strong consideration” – Jim Hansen, NASA Global Warming activist, Can we defuse The Global Warming Time Bomb?, 2003
• 2006 - “I believe it is appropriate to have an over-representation of factual presentations on how dangerous it is, as a predicate for opening up the audience to listen to what the solutions are, and how hopeful it is that we are going to solve this crisis.” — Al Gore, Grist magazine, May 2006
• 2006 – “It is not a debate over whether the earth has been warming over the past century. The earth is always warming or cooling, at least a few tenths of a degree…” —Richard S. Lindzen, the Alfred P. Sloan professor of meteorology at MIT
• 2006 – “What we have fundamentally forgotten is simple primary school science. Climate always changes. It is always…warming or cooling, it’s never stable. And if it were stable, it would actually be interesting scientifically because it would be the first time for four and a half billion years.” —Philip Stott, emeritus professor of bio-geography at the University of London
• 2006 - “Since 1895, the media has alternated between global cooling and warming scares during four separate and sometimes overlapping time periods. From 1895 until the 1930’s the media peddled a coming ice age. From the late 1920’s until the 1960’s they warned of global warming. From the 1950’s until the 1970’s they warned us again of a coming ice age. This makes modern global warming the fourth estate’s fourth attempt to promote opposing climate change fears during the last 100 years.” –Senator James Inhofe, Monday, September 25, 2006
• 2007- “I gave a talk recently (on fallacies of global warming) and three members of the Canadian government, the environmental cabinet, came up afterwards and said, ‘We agree with you, but it’s not worth our jobs to say anything.’ So what’s being created is a huge industry with billions of dollars of government money and people’s jobs dependent on it.” – Dr. Tim Ball, Coast-to-Coast, Feb 6, 2007
• 2008 – “Hansen was never muzzled even though he violated NASA’s official agency position on climate forecasting (i.e., we did not know enough to forecast climate change or mankind’s effect on it). Hansen thus embarrassed NASA by coming out with his claims of global warming in 1988 in his testimony before Congress” – Dr. John S. Theon, retired Chief of the Climate Processes Research Program atNASA,

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Does it matter? Does what we know of as fossil fuels on Earth have the same origin as the liquid methane and ethane pools found on Titan? Having a similar chemical makeup does not mean they do. If they're just pools of stuff on Earth and Titan that formed somehow, does it matter if what's here is from dinosaurs or not? Greta will still hate it.

One way it matters is that it is a reminder of how The Science is being manipulated to give power to regulators to control our lives. Part of the reason the dead dinosaur trop has been held on to for so long is that is perpetuates the notion that supply is very limited and must be rationed and conserved. We really don’t know how oil and gas are made or exactly what the quantity that is available or could be made available for man’s use.

 

[wtburnette]

What we need is for conservatives and people that are still sane to fight this garbage with everything they have. We need to not only bring full use of "fossil fuels" back but also get back to using nuclear and whatever other actual great (hydrogen?) fuel technologies we can and get back to being a great country, with low cost fuel and plenty of it. Nothing would help the poor and downtrodden more than cheap and abundant energy. Heck, maybe with selling energy as exports we might actually be able to pay down the national debt as well? Shocking I know.

 

[smokingman]

What we need is for conservatives and people that are still sane to fight this garbage with everything they have. We need to not only bring full use of "fossil fuels" back but also get back to using nuclear and whatever other actual great (hydrogen?) fuel technologies we can and get back to being a great country, with low cost fuel and plenty of it. Nothing would help the poor and downtrodden more than cheap and abundant energy. Heck, maybe with selling energy as exports we might actually be able to pay down the national debt as well? Shocking I know.

We need cheaper energy to restore our manufacturing base and to maintain our standard of living.
Exporting energy, resources(lumber,coal,iron ect) very well could be about the only thing that could reduce our debt.

Fossil fuels is the only way to quickly have cheaper energy. Cut the red tape and open new mines. Start producing things again.

 

[jamil]

If I were grand poohbah of the united states, I think my energy policy would emphasize petroleum, nuclear, and hydro power. I would ban wind turbines. And the practice of buying up farmland to install solar farms.

 

[wtburnette]

We need cheaper energy to restore our manufacturing base and to maintain our standard of living.
Exporting energy, resources(lumber,coal,iron ect) very well could be about the only thing that could reduce our debt.

Fossil fuels is the only way to quickly have cheaper energy. Cut the red tape and open new mines. Start producing things again.

Exactly. A lot harder for the Left to destroy our country and way of life with cheap energy foiling their plans. They want everyone starving, cold, wondering what gender they are and at each other's throats.

 

[smokingman]

One way it matters is that it is a reminder of how The Science is being manipulated to give power to regulators to control our lives. Part of the reason the dead dinosaur trop has been held on to for so long is that is perpetuates the notion that supply is very limited and must be rationed and conserved. We really don’t know how oil and gas are made or exactly what the quantity that is available or could be made available for man’s use.

The science(not TM) says abiotic, as part of the earths crust cycle and out gassing caused by it. The nordic states,Russia,and quite a few others have been teaching that in schools since the 70s

Abiogenic Deep Origin of Hydrocarbons and Oil and Gas Deposits Formation

Open access peer-reviewed chapter

www.intechopen.com

 

[DoggyDaddy]

The science(not TM) says abiotic, as part of the earths crust cycle and out gassing caused by it. The nordic states,Russia,and quite a few others have been teaching that in schools since the 70s

Abiogenic Deep Origin of Hydrocarbons and Oil and Gas Deposits Formation

Open access peer-reviewed chapter

www.intechopen.com

Thank you! I was trying to remember the term for it, but I had heard this before. In other words... "renewable energy" from hydrocarbons.

 

[smokingman]

Thank you! I was trying to remember the term for it, but I had heard this before. In other words... "renewable energy" from hydrocarbons.

Given they calculated the amount of methane from one minor katla eruption at 41 tons+ from just one lava flow during just one summer the abiotic source sounds likely to me and that does not count off gassing, just methane they measured in glacier melt water.

Granted the deposits not pushed to the surface in magma would take longer to form pockets from separating, but it makes sense.

Volcanoes and glaciers combine as powerful methane producers

Large amounts of the potent greenhouse gas methane are being released from an Icelandic glacier, scientists have discovered. A study of Sólheimajökull glacier, which flows from the active, ice-covered volcano Katla, shows that up to 41 tons of methane is being released through meltwaters every...

www.sciencedaily.com

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Given they calculated the amount of methane from one minor katla eruption at 41 tons+ from just one lava flow during just one summer the abiotic source sounds likely to me and that does not count off gassing, just methane they measured in glacier melt water.

41+ tons sounds like a lot. How many cows worth is that?

 

[2tonic]

If I were grand poohbah of the united states, I think my energy policy would emphasize petroleum, nuclear, and hydro power. I would ban wind turbines. And the practice of buying up farmland to install solar farms.

You have my vote for poohbah.

 

[DadSmith]

This global warming better hurry the hell up already.

I was thinking about 50 degrees Sunday morning when it was -12 with windchill.
According to their figures it's going to take over 1000 years to warm up enough to actually see a little difference in Indiana winters if climate science hasn't been bought off.

With hundreds of climate scientists saying climate change is false and hundreds saying it's real who do you believe?
I say let the climate do the talking. It's saying what the hundreds of climate scientists who disagree with leftist climate change ideology.


Follow the money!

 

[Magyars]

Don't worry, Lurch will save us!

 

[Magyars]

NY times figured it out ( sarc) these guys are delusional !

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