Interesting conversation... nice and civil.
There's a reason for that: no matter their research, no matter their knowledge, everybody in the conversation has to admit that they don't know the mind of God.
Interesting conversation... nice and civil.
am I in fact decieved and therefore one of the antichrists?
You cannot be antichrist if you have truly accepted Christ as your Lord and Savior and been baptized for the remission of sins, which is an outward symbol of an inner work in your life.
I have to disagree that you have to be baptized to be saved. That would fall under a works religion. If we have to do anything other than accept the gift of Jesus' death on a cross, his shed blood for our sins, his victory over death, and then the grace that was extended to each one of us, as Paul preached, then it wouldn't be a gift. When we accept that gift of grace we are then baptized with the Holy Spirit and His Spirit lives in us. There is nothing wrong with water baptism as an outward sign but it is not needed to be save.
I don't believe Satan has the ability to incarnate himself in a man(read, satan himself doing what the Eternal Spirit did in Mary's womb---making himself a new creation), as The Creator did.
Be careful labeling anything as a solid 'this' or 'that'. No one knows completely, or even with complete understanding. The prophets of old were killed by men, not satan himself; consider that.
Interesting conversation... nice and civil.
It's fun to guess but He tells us knowone knows.
The Day and Hour Unknown
Matthew 24
36"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son,[f] but only the Father. 37As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 40Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. 41Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left.
42"Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come. 43But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. 44So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.
There's a reason for that: no matter their research, no matter their knowledge, everybody in the conversation has to admit that they don't know the mind of God.
am I in fact decieved and therefore one of the antichrists?
You cannot be antichrist if you have truly accepted Christ as your Lord and Savior and been baptized for the remission of sins, which is an outward symbol of an inner work in your life.
I have to disagree that you have to be baptized to be saved. That would fall under a works religion.
There's a reason for that: no matter their research, no matter their knowledge, everybody in the conversation has to admit that they don't know the mind of God.
This is so true, but he did not leave us ignorant. He gave us His Word.
In my opinoin Baptism is NOT a requirement of salvation. This is a hot subject and causes issues but then if one believes that it is, then you ask well just what 'type' of baptism counts and it leads down a path that does no good for God's work.
Then I am done talking with you. Read Acts 2:38. The Apostle Peter demanded of the crowd that baptism in Jesus name IS for the remission of sins.
( You also might want to check out WHY John the Baptist was baptizing in the Jordan river, CHRIST was baptized; b/c it was the order of things and He was willing to submit to it)
If you can deny that, then you can deny anything.
hmmmm, let's start picking what we want to accept and submit ourselves too... well, I'll take out the 'one wife' part; that way, I can have multiple wives for some serious fun.
So much for good conversation. We're talking with a guy who hasn't even accepted God's order of things for the identification of Christ's death, burial and resurrection.
But, that is to be expected I guess.
So much for this thread... cya whow.
But Jesus did preach at least to one Gentile:
BibleGateway.com - Passage*Lookup: Mark 7:25-30;
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BibleGateway.com - Passage*Lookup: Matthew 15:21-28;
The Syro-Phoenician woman was definitely a Gentile.
Jesus did preach to the Samaritan(s) woman-at-the-well. The Samaritans were neither Jewish Orthodox nor were they Gentiles.
Be careful, general statements about everyone, coming from one perspective can make one look foolish sometimes.There's a reason for that: no matter their research, no matter their knowledge, everybody in the conversation has to admit that they don't know the mind of God.
This is so true, but he did not leave us ignorant. He gave us His Word.
In my opinoin Baptism is NOT a requirement of salvation. This is a hot subject and causes issues but then if one believes that it is, then you ask well just what 'type' of baptism counts and it leads down a path that does no good for God's work.
Then I am done talking with you. Read Acts 2:38. The Apostle Peter demanded of the crowd that baptism in Jesus name IS for the remission of sins.
( You also might want to check out WHY John the Baptist was baptizing in the Jordan river, CHRIST was baptized; b/c it was the order of things and He was willing to submit to it)
If you can deny that, then you can deny anything.
All wee have to do is accept that gift. If we start adding things on like you also have to be baptized, go to church every Sunday, or whatever then Grace would not be a gift.
So then Christ lied on the cross to the thief next to him when he said He would see him in Paradise that very day. Last I remember the thief was not baptized.
Do we need it for salvation? No, but it is a sacrament as is communion. It is a statement and also an invitation for the Holy Spirit....
Its a great thing, but not a requirement. If you think it is, which one counts? Only total submersion? Sprinkle?
Couldnt have said it better.......
The New Covenant was not into effect at the cross. The beginning of the church age starts in the Book of Acts. The early church knows of no other baptism but in the name of Jesus---> Acts 2:38.