Canada is fining the Amish $300,000 for not downloading a COVID app

[Creedmoor]

Amish around my area do not have cellphones, the businesses they run have a little shed that they build to have a landline in to make calls or receive calls. Most Amish around my area don't even have phones. I guess it depends on the leadership in the area.

A phone is a phone, no matter how it's packaged.

 

[DadSmith]

A phone is a phone, no matter how it's packaged.

Not to the Amish. In the United States they are protected by the 1st Amendment to worship the way they do and believe the way they do.
Canadians Don't have those protections.

 

[Creedmoor]

Not to the Amish. In the United States they are protected by the 1st Amendment to worship the way they do and believe the way they do.

I didn't mean it as a dig, Amish are all over Northern St Marys co MD.
But even as a kid on my family's farm in so md I knew it was hypocritical to say we live with no modern luxury and one has a diesel air compressor in the barn to run a air driven well pump and shop tools. And a phone booth 100 yds away at the end of the driveway.

 

[DadSmith]

I didn't mean it as a dig, Amish are all over Northern St Marys co MD.
But even as a kid on my family's farm in so md I knew it was hypocritical to say we live with no modern luxury and one has a diesel air compressor in the barn to run a air driven well pump and shop tools. And a phone booth 100 yds away at the end of the driveway.

I don't understand that as well. But it means something to them.
I know several I may ask about that if I think about it next time I see them. I do business with several Amish. I know many if them, and I think they would be glad to explain it to me.

 

[Hkindiana]

I had the Amish build my pole barn about twenty years ago. At the time, it was a sin for them to have gas grills. Then, one day their grand poobah decided it was OK to have one, and they all ran to Lowe’s after work to buy one

 

[radar8756]

Their seems to be a Exception for Solar Electricity vs Edison Electricity - I see solar panels on Amish farms in the Shipshewana area

 

[BigRed]

Canada is fining the Amish $300,000 for not downloading a COVID app

A month ago, news broke that, up in Canada, Justin Trudeau’s government is fining the Amish community $300,000 ($222,660 American dollars). Their crime? They didn’t download the government’s COVID app. The twist, of course, is ...

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One would think this is a joke.

Sounds like some Amish folks up north need to get some pigs and dispose of a mess.

 

[Leo]

Smart phone, computer, or not. NO ONE should be required to have, use, access technology to comply with the law. ESPECIALLY when the law is unconstitutional. Billions of dollars of Bureaucrats sucking down serious paychecks, and they want to require me to use technology I have to buy to interface with their computer to do their job?

Jump in the lake.

It is not a technology question, it is a civil right offense.

 

[SmileDocHill]

The Amish have yet to reply to the email for a statement.

 

[Hardscrable]

I have mingled with Amish and every variation for about 70 years.Much has changed. The bishop still sets the particular rules for a district which is why rules vary. In our area all the Amish have cell phones. Not each person but each household has 1. If carried it is the husband but never the wife. Some Amish businessmen I know have had them since the 90’s.

Most have solar panels along with more modern conveniences than most people realize. They power LED lights, garage door openers, wells, appliances, electric fence chargers, and on and on. Often newly built homes except for a small barn and horse appear no different than English homes. Many districts allow a couple buying an existing home already with electricity to keep it for a specified amount of time. In 2019 I sold my childhood farm house home to a young couple. They kept the electricity, window air conditioners, freezer, frig, etc. for at least a year ( last time I was inside ). Many ( especially younger ) drink alcohol, smoke, go to a lot of better restaurants, etc. In Elkhart Co. they can buy 3 acres and keep a horse. Most men work in manufacturing jobs ( RV common ). No need to farm or buy more than 3 acres. Go to work at 4 AM, home at noon 5 days a week, buy hay/feed for horse, nothing else to do, and make close to 6 figures.

 

[Hardscrable]

Our local area has a number of young black Amish. Young unmarried girls/ladies go to work at RV plant. Some end up pregnant. Number of those babies are black. I do not personally know any that remain Amish as adults

 

[Creedmoor]

The Amish have yet to reply to the email for a statement.

Did you put the correct postage and an addressed stamped envelope inside so you would get a return letter err email?

 

[Leadeye]

So when the Amish don't pay up, does trudeau send in the mounties to arrest and jail all of them?

 

[Creedmoor]

Our local area has a number of young black Amish. Young unmarried girls/ladies go to work at RV plant. Some end up pregnant. Number of those babies are black. I do not personally know any that remain Amish as adults

We have a couple mixed marriages at home, one black man is easily in his 30's,
He works for his FIL at his outdoor power business.
Kinda makes you do a double look when you see grandma on a bicycle riding with two grand daughters on bikes behind her. One white with blond pigtails and one black with pigtails.
No judgment for the most part with them.

Atone for your sins, and move on.

 

[Hardscrable]

We have a couple mixed marriages at home, one black man is easily in his 30's,
He works for his FIL at his outdoor power business.
Kinda makes you do a double look when you see grandma on a bicycle riding with two grand daughters on bikes behind her. One white with blond pigtails and one black with pigtails.
No judgment for the most part with them.

Atone for your sins, and move on.

I agree. My wife worked for NIPSCO in Nappanee for a few years in the day. Wasn’t really common but it happened. She grew up Mennonite but was only English house on her mile of gravel. Was familiar with most things Amish. First grandma that walked in to their NIPSCO office with a black grandchild about floored her. But she recovered.

“Sins of the flesh” cross all racial boundaries

 

[Shadow01]

This actually shocked me. That is really ignorant of the Canadian government.

But they will get there money.

 

[Wstar425]

Do all have the same beliefs? Would seem odd if there were not some outliers…

I was told each group has an elder who decides what the rules are, basically. So, I think there are probably lots of flexibility inside some hard and fast rules. But, I’m only speculating.

We grew up in Church of the Brethern, kinda a bit more liberal than Mennonites. I can remember when my brother and I wore blue jeans to Wednesday night Bible study and a group of ladies immediately started praying for our salvation. Before that it was always black pants, white shirt and black tie. This was in the late 60’s when I was 10 or 12. My Dad always was a rebel………

Today I believe the CoftheB is pretty much super liberal. I believe blue jeans are likely just fine for Sunday mornings. You might say we were trend setters even!!!

 

[Creedmoor]

Smart phone, computer, or not. NO ONE should be required to have, use, access technology to comply with the law. ESPECIALLY when the law is unconstitutional. Billions of dollars of Bureaucrats sucking down serious paychecks, and they want to require me to use technology I have to buy to interface with their computer to do their job?

Jump in the lake.

It is not a technology question, it is a civil right offense.

What does Canada's Constitution say about it?

 

[Leo]

What does Canada's Constitution say about it?

I could not tell you, but a quick glance at the requirement to apply for Canadian citizenship, or likewise to apply for permanent residency, have no mention of requiring electronic devices.

 

[Creedmoor]

I could not tell you, but a quick glance at the requirement to apply for Canadian citizenship, or likewise to apply for permanent residency, have no mention of requiring electronic devices.

I was joking, I went back and fourth during covid to Canada a few times doing work for a Canadian co building a plant in Muncie.
I had to get the app ArriveCAN on my phone for expedited entry into Canada.
I want to say it also had a opt out way to go. I will also say that anyone that not only has a passport, has international airline tickets is savy enough to have a smart phone and do the app.