Bunkerville NV escalating.

[Kutnupe14]

Since your salary is "ours", you need to ask permission to use "my" part of it, right?

Well, in the purest sense, you can either have the labor or the salary, but are not entitled to both. The people have a say in the labor from which the salary is derived. Once you have the labor you cannot have say on how the salary is spent (since it originated from the people). Conversely, if you are unwilling to disperse salary, then you have no say in how the labor is conducted (at which point, I'd probably fire the guy).

Sorry to nerd out, lol.

 

[Trooper]

Well, in the purest sense, you can either have the labor or the salary, but are not entitled to both. The people have a say in the labor from which the salary is derived. Once you have the labor you cannot have say on how the salary is spent (since it originated from the people). Conversely, if you are unwilling to disperse salary, then you have no say in how the labor is conducted (at which point, I'd probably fire the guy).

Sorry to nerd out, lol.

And government salaries are paid from taxes which are forced from the public. Thus the public has little say, except via the ballot box or complains to the political class, over how that tax money is spent.

 

[Hotdoger]

"I keep seeing that figure thrown around, 600,000 acres. 600,000 acres is exactly the amount of land that Bundy claims as his own. Is this the same parcel of land you're speaking about, or is there another 600,000 acres? If it is the same, how does a ruling from the 90s making the area protected, become "Obama's BLM... off limits?" Unless you mean that when the feds went in, they temporarily closed that parcel to conduct their cattle caper. '


Where has Bundy claimed he owned 600,000 acres?

Also grazing rights and BLM management are specific to the state. In Navada Rancher groups can chose to not have the BLM manage them.

Obamas BLM has speed up operations to keep people from public land use, unless it is for political deals that give transfer of use to certain businesses. Like the Chinese solar deal.


There is a reason the Bundy Ranch is the last one in Clarke county. Your hero feds have seen an end to them.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Are hunters, fishers, and shooters who use public lands stealing from me?

We can all sit here and argue who has the proper right to use public lands and for what purpose and never solve this problem. The only way to fix it is to get the government out of the real estate business.

None of the group's above are stealing from you because you have equal use of the land. But you're right, govt shouldn't be involved in the real estate business. However, our nation grew tremendously in a very short time, though wars and purchases. The feds had an obligation to administer these lands, which of course they couldn't do for free. Even today there are HUGE swaths of land that no one now wants.

 

[hornadylnl]

Well, in the purest sense, you can either have the labor or the salary, but are not entitled to both. The people have a say in the labor from which the salary is derived. Once you have the labor you cannot have say on how the salary is spent (since it originated from the people). Conversely, if you are unwilling to disperse salary, then you have no say in how the labor is conducted (at which point, I'd probably fire the guy).

Sorry to nerd out, lol.

My point was simply if "public servant"'s standard is good for public land, it should be good for public servants. I have no say in the hiring or firing of public servants.

I've read multiple complaints from public servants about those who pay their salary having the gall to tell them they pay their salary.

That is the whole problem with concept of a "public good". People will never see the hypocrisy in their right to use public lands for what they want to use them for and then complain when others use it for something they don't like.

I have a constitutional right to free public gun ranges but those midnight basketball courts, that's socialism!!!!11!!!!!1!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Trooper]

My point was simply if "public servant"'s standard is good for public land, it should be good for public servants. I have no say in the hiring or firing of public servants.

I've read multiple complaints from public servants about those who pay their salary having the gall to tell them they pay their salary.

That is the whole problem with concept of a "public good". People will never see the hypocrisy in their right to use public lands for what they want to use them for and then complain when others use it for something they don't like.

I have a constitutional right to free public gun ranges but those midnight basketball courts, that's socialism!!!!11!!!!!1!!!!!!!!!!!

One could say that both gun ranges and basketball courts come under the concept of parks and recreation. That it is good to have common spaces for recreation.

With gun ranges there is also a 2nd amendment function. It might be implied that the state has a responsibility to provide space to that the common citizen can be trained to meet the militia requirement.

 

[dirtfarmerz]

^^^ proof enough that Cajuns aren't the sharpest of knives. Does Sen. Vitter know that Obama wasn't I. Office when this whole thing started? It seems not.

Sen. Vitter's article was not about the current issue in Nevada. It doesn't matter if Obama was not in office when the "whole thing" started, he's in office now and his administration is the most aggressive freedom snatching, law breaking bunch of radicals that have ever been in our government. The "whole thing" started a long time ago and the issue in Nevada is just a very small piece of it.

We are in a lot of trouble when the government begins to use the ESA, BLM, EPA, NSA, IRS, ATF, USDA and other agencies for a political agenda. The "whole thing" is a lot scarier than a rancher vs desert tortoise in Nevada.

Article | Articles | Newsroom | U.S. Senator David Vitter of Louisiana

 

[hornadylnl]

One could say that both gun ranges and basketball courts come under the concept of parks and recreation. That it is good to have common spaces for recreation.

With gun ranges there is also a 2nd amendment function. It might be implied that the state has a responsibility to provide space to that the common citizen can be trained to meet the militia requirement.

I want a public hospital that we all have equal use of.

 

[Kutnupe14]

"I keep seeing that figure thrown around, 600,000 acres. 600,000 acres is exactly the amount of land that Bundy claims as his own. Is this the same parcel of land you're speaking about, or is there another 600,000 acres? If it is the same, how does a ruling from the 90s making the area protected, become "Obama's BLM... off limits?" Unless you mean that when the feds went in, they temporarily closed that parcel to conduct their cattle caper. '


Where has Bundy claimed he owned 600,000 acres?

Also grazing rights and BLM management are specific to the state. In Navada Rancher groups can chose to not have the BLM manage them.

Obamas BLM has speed up operations to keep people from public land use, unless it is for political deals that give transfer of use to certain businesses. Like the Chinese solar deal.


There is a reason the Bundy Ranch is the last one in Clarke county. Your hero feds have seen an end to them.

The 600,000 acres is the entire range that Bundy grazed his cattle, and the acreage he supposed to remove his cattle from. He has stated that the land, " has been in HIS family," since the 19th century. Ok so Obama has sped up this process, even though the vast majority of other ranchers were gone WELL before he took office? It would appear to me, that there aren't enough people to "speed up" the process.
And along with reptiles, tracking, and oil, I'm not sure where the Chinese magic energy glass falls. But it is 600,000 acres, so I'm sure Barry can fit all his cronies in somewhere.

 

[KG1]

As a tax payer I want my portion of my tax dollars to go to only the things that I approve of.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Sen. Vitter's article was not about the current issue in Nevada. It doesn't matter if Obama was not in office when the "whole thing" started, he's in office now and his administration is the most aggressive freedom snatching, law breaking bunch of radicals that have ever been in our government. The "whole thing" started a long time ago and the issue in Nevada is just a very small piece of it.

We are in a lot of trouble when the government begins to use the ESA, BLM, EPA, NSA, IRS, ATF, USDA and other agencies for a political agenda. The "whole thing" is a lot scarier than a rancher vs desert tortoise in Nevada.

Article | Articles | Newsroom | U.S. Senator David Vitter of Louisiana

So you were blind and deaf until 2008? Ok, I get Barry is strongly disliked... hello, EPICALLY disliked, but don't let current events blind you to the history of our nation. Obama's isn't even close to being our most "aggressive, freedom snatching" administration.

 

[Kutnupe14]

As a tax payer I want my portion of my tax dollars to go to only the things that I approve of.

Rar rar!
(Blazing Saddles reference)

 

[hornadylnl]

As a tax payer I want my portion of my tax dollars to go to only the things that I approve of.

Those who use public lands for recreational purposes know it's cheaper for themselves to socialize it, thus the ardent support of it.

We all see the complaints about range prices when a new private shooting range opens.

 

[KG1]

Rar rar!
(Blazing Saddles reference)

"I didn't get a harumpf! outta that guy"

 

[Trooper]

I want a public hospital that we all have equal use of.

We have those. Wishard (spelling?) in Indy was something like that. Cook County in Chicago likewise. Both are filled with people in poverty. Thus those with better insurance go to other hospitals.

Now we could have all doctors, all hospitals, ran by the government. But then your doctor would not work for you, he would work for the government. Thus his decisions would be what is in the best interest of the government.

 

[hornadylnl]

We have those. Wishard (spelling?) in Indy was something like that. Cook County in Chicago likewise. Both are filled with people in poverty. Thus those with better insurance go to other hospitals.

Now we could have all doctors, all hospitals, ran by the government. But then your doctor would not work for you, he would work for the government. Thus his decisions would be what is in the best interest of the government.

So I can go to Wishard and receive care without ever receiving a bill?

It's not enough to provide a piece of dirt for shooters to use. They want covered firing lines with nice benches, new target stands, lanes that go out to 1000 yards, restroom facilities, and rangers to monitor it and take care of it.

The rangers work for the government, thus their decisions are what's in the best interest of the government.

How does one square their desires of public good while trying to eliminate others public good?

 

[public servant]

My point was simply if "public servant"'s standard is good for public land, it should be good for public servants. I have no say in the hiring or firing of public servants.

I've read multiple complaints from public servants about those who pay their salary having the gall to tell them they pay their salary.

That is the whole problem with concept of a "public good". People will never see the hypocrisy in their right to use public lands for what they want to use them for and then complain when others use it for something they don't like.

I have a constitutional right to free public gun ranges but those midnight basketball courts, that's socialism!!!!11!!!!!1!!!!!!!!!!!

The complaint about those that "pay your salary" is that they want it used for their personal benefit (like the rancher wants the "public" land for his sole benefit to turn a profit), rather than the benefit of the collective public.

e.g. "I want you to do your job the way I want it done because I pay your salary."
"You're not entitled to that opinion, because I pay your salary."
"You can't take me to jail because I pay your salary."

The rancher is saying, "I want to use this public land to raise my cattle so I can make a living."

I want a public hospital that we all have equal use of.

We have those. Wishard (spelling?)

Eskenazi.

 

[hornadylnl]

The complaint about those that "pay your salary" is that they want it used for their personal benefit (like the rancher wants the "public" land for his sole benefit to turn a profit), rather than the benefit of the collective public.



Eskenazi.

You're right. I want public shooting ranges for my personal benefit. I don't like how others use it so I want rangers to manage it the way I see fit.

Can I go to Eskenazi and receive care without receiving a bill?

 

[public servant]

Can I go to Eskenazi and receive care without receiving a bill?

According to their signs, if you do not have the ability to pay they must treat you. If you have an income I'm sure their collections department will be in touch.

But now, with Obamacare this should no longer be an issue, right?

 

[Liberty Sanders]

​BLM surrendered. They're giving the man's cattle back.