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  • jamil

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    If they are friends, perhaps you may want to consider talking to them and and seeing them. Perhaps you do...I have no idea nor is it any of my business.

    I'll simply note that somehow "facebook" got people to redefine what a friend is.
    I suspect talking to them isn't going to help much. Especially if they're the type of progressive who insists they're not political, that they're moderates. Even though they support all the progressive causes and none of the conservative ones. A moderate person finds things on both sides they find agreeable. And none of them very intensely.
     

    jamil

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    There is no such thing as a “harmless liberal” because they are all out to destroy the true American way of life and replace it with their warped views of a utopia run by woke libturd idiots!
    Again proving the point. You're assuming they're goal is to destroy the "true America way", rather than destruction being a side effect of idea bubbles. The kinds of people the OP is talking about is people who causally go through life trusting their bubble without scrutiny, because to them that's reality.

    What about the people who've decided to switch from the left? You think those people suddenly decided, "hey, maybe my lust for destroying America is wrong. Maybe America shouldn't be destroyed. I think I'll stop intentionally trying to destroy it." No. They think they're making America better by adopting these progressive ideas. Caring more about the environment. Being more inclusive. Being antiracist.

    Of course there are radicals hell bent on destroying America so that they can "build back better" into a communist utopia. But the casual progressives have been duped into thinking there's no other side to all their beliefs. They're not considering another side because their bubble's hegemony doesn't tolerate those views. So when reality occasionally causes the other side of the issues to poke through the cognitive dissonance, that's what makes them flip.
     

    smokingman

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    Yeah, I’ve had multiple civil discussions with her. She honestly tries to understand and she loses the argument every time, walking away with that “you may have a point. It’s something to think about.” But is not intellectually honest enough to change her views. Because later on she’s back to sharing the same ideas.

    The only reason I haven’t unfriended her is she is civil and seems to try. Just not hard enough to actually change. She’s attracted to the idealism but won’t see the reality. We will call it child like. .
    Some people still bow to kings. Some just want to be lead, so they never have to face a choice of their own with consequences.
    If things go badly, they have someone to place blame on. Sadly, the idea the other side is always worse feeds these people to choose the worst possible leaders because "the other side is worse". It is child like. It lets them stroll through life with hardly a thought of the world outside their usually very small bubble. You keep poking her bubble, so she goes back to it and her beliefs get reinforced by those around her. That bubble has to break and she has to want to take some responsibility for life outside it, if she is to ever change. Highly doubtful though, bubble existince feels safe to them.
     
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    This is kinda what I'm talking about. These are great talking points if you want to create a more hostile viewpoint towards people who disagree with them. Not that the goal should be appeasing delusional people. But, they'd likely disagree with you on all those points. The man on the CNN said that's racist.

    I don't break facts to people gently....
    I break them over their head.
     

    2tonic

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    She’s attracted to the idealism but won’t see the reality.

    History books are replete with photos and descriptions of killing fields, mass graves, extermination camps, ovens, gas chambers, piles of human bones, etc.
    All were perpetuated by people of this mindset.
    People who knew their vision of society was best for everyone, if they just eliminate the non-believers, the scapegoats, the uneducated, the THEM of the matter.

    A moral person would know better than to think they know better.
     

    Cameramonkey

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    I have no liberal friends. I’ve run them off.
    Same. Only 2 left I think The lady I discussed earlier, and my older sister's BF. So Im kinda stuck with him. He is a solid case of "old enough to know better" being in his upper 60s.
    On topic, It was glorious watching him get torn to shreds in a car trip to Old 55 Distillery with coworkers of hers. One of her friends is more libertarian than I am. That dude shredded ALL of his positions with plain facts, and to be polite and not gang up on him I mostly sat quietly and let them duke it out. But even after each and every point he had was disproven, he'd still say "well, I still think we could figure it out." How dude? Every way you said it would work, was disproven.
     

    jamil

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    Same. Only 2 left I think The lady I discussed earlier, and my older sister's BF. So Im kinda stuck with him. He is a solid case of "old enough to know better" being in his upper 60s.
    On topic, It was glorious watching him get torn to shreds in a car trip to Old 55 Distillery with coworkers of hers. One of her friends is more libertarian than I am. That dude shredded ALL of his positions with plain facts, and to be polite and not gang up on him I mostly sat quietly and let them duke it out. But even after each and every point he had was disproven, he'd still say "well, I still think we could figure it out." How dude? Every way you said it would work, was disproven.
    I have progressive relatives. People I work with are all mostly progressive. I have some friends who are progressive. We just don't talk about politics. Because when we do, they start getting mad.
     

    2tonic

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    But even after each and every point he had was disproven, he'd still say "well, I still think we could figure it out." How dude? Every way you said it would work, was disproven.

    As mentioned upthread.....
    The fallback position for any leftist's uncertainties is to just kill those that disagree.

    It's almost clever (the left's vertical integration of propaganda)....
    "There are those who say this policy will not work......"
    The Left: Not anymore, there isn't.

    Which leads to....
    The Left: See, we told you our policies would work...notice how's there's no detractors saying our policies won't work?

    Ummm.....that's because you killed, imprisoned, or muted all in opposition to your views.

    The fact remains, historically, all the left's "great ideas" lead to mass graves.
     

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    Some people still bow to kings. Some just want to be lead, so they never have to face a choice of their own with consequences.
    If things go badly, they have someone to place blame on..... It is child like. It lets them stroll through life with hardly a thought of the world outside their usually very small bubble.
    JMO...
    The natural yearning of mankind is freedom and self sufficiency. Those who REQUIRE support, or leadership, just to face life, are beings of a lesser making.
    To be clear, those who cannot be self sufficient, due to physical or mental infirmity, should be assisted by society, for the benefit of society.
    They are not whom I'm speaking of.
    However, those who choose to imprison themselves in a dis-associative existence are deserving of nothing but scorn, for they have failed their primary task at the most basic function.
    They are to be derided, pitied, shown mercy and understanding, counseled, loved, supported, provided for, etc.....all by YOU, at YOUR discretion.
    But they are NEVER to be listened to, or emulated.
     

    MCgrease08

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    The natural yearning of mankind is freedom and self sufficiency. Those who REQUIRE support, or leadership, just to face life, are beings of a lesser making.
    To be clear, those who cannot be self sufficient, due to physical or mental infirmity, should be assisted by society, for the benefit of society.
    They are not whom I'm speaking of.
    However, those who choose to imprison themselves in a dis-associative existence are deserving of nothing but scorn, for they have failed their primary task at the most basic function.
    They are to be derided, pitied, shown mercy and understanding, counseled, loved, supported, provided for, etc.....all by YOU, at YOUR discretion.
    But they are NEVER to be listened to, or emulated.
    Your post reminds me of 2 Thessalonians 3:6-15.

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    JCSR

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    Anonymous post I just ran across sums liberals up very well.

    "They tried to break us! They locked us down, forced a frankenvax on us. Open our borders to rapists, killers, sexual predators, psychologically unhinged fanatics and deadbeats. They threw open the floodgates to fentanyl and unleashed a poison that killed thousands of homeless, teens and wayward souls. They turned our schools into social justice, identity and gender chaos centers, and socialist commie indoctrination centers of almost illiterate idiots reading well below grade level! They ruined our economy with their stupid policies as they let foreign countries that hate us, leech off of us. They tried to put us in jail and the poorhouse! They managed to put many of us on the street!!!! They turned the media into their personal propaganda machine and perverted our justice and our government. They hate God, unplanned babies, marriage, family and the church! And yet…. HERE WE STILL ARE. WAKE UP AMERICA. WE NEED A NEW SHERIFF IN TOWN! WE NEED TO ROLL UP OUR SLEEVES AND TAKE OUT THE TRASH AND CLEAN OUT THE FILTH AND ROT."
     
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