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[HoughMade]

What about the situation where measures were tried and the virus still spread? That seems like a direct indicator that the measure did not work, at least not with 100% effectiveness.

None of these measures were ever going to "stop" the spread. It's only ever been about slowing the transmission rate.

 

[nonobaddog]

None of these measures were ever going to "stop" the spread. It's only ever been about slowing the transmission rate.

It is kinda tough to know if the measures are even doing that. I think physical distancing is doing the most to slow it down but there isn't much comparison available to confirm anything.

 

[JCSR]

You have more patience than I do. If Karen wants to interfere with my ability to breathe, her ability to breathe can be addressed.

Most of the Karens in my area are really big women. I would not want to throw down with any of them.

 

[T.Lex]

Cynically, I think we flattened the curve for about 5 months - June to November. Yeah, there was a little bump in the middle, but not much.

And now, we're into the growth curve that we were destined to hit. I know 3 families within my close circle of friends who are in the middle of symptomatic positive cases.

The only good news is that we might have fought something like a rear guard action long enough for reinforcements (in the form of vaccines) to save many that would otherwise have been lost.

Sorry. Its been a Monday.

 

[HoughMade]

Cynically, I think we flattened the curve for about 5 months - June to November. Yeah, there was a little bump in the middle, but not much.

And now, we're into the growth curve that we were destined to hit. I know 3 families within my close circle of friends who are in the middle of symptomatic positive cases.

The only good news is that we might have fought something like a rear guard action long enough for reinforcements (in the form of vaccines) to save many that would otherwise have been lost.

Sorry. Its been a Monday.

Slow the transmission rate; learn more about it; develop treatments; develop vaccine. Of course, we can disagree with policy decisions that were made, but they were not (by and large) nonsensical. Also, people have a real difficultly discerning the difference between things that have an effect individually and those that can have a net effect if done society wide....or simply don't care. Decisions were based upon what they knew, or thought they knew, at the time. Sometimes it sucks to be a decision/policy maker.

 

[drillsgt]

Slow the transmission rate; learn more about it; develop treatments; develop vaccine. Of course, we can disagree with policy decisions that were made, but they were not (by and large) nonsensical. Also, people have a real difficultly discerning the difference between things that have an effect individually and those that can have a net effect if done society wide....or simply don't care. Decisions were based upon what they knew, or thought they knew, at the time. Sometimes it sucks to be a decision/policy maker.

Let anyone that needs it get the treatment Rudy Giuliani got, when a 70 something can bounce out after a couple days something must be working.

 

[IndyDave1776]

If you are going to be that way about it, I wish you enough breathing difficulty to understand my point.

 

[foszoe]

Let anyone that needs it get the treatment Rudy Giuliani got, when a 70 something can bounce out after a couple days something must be working.

I wonder if he ever REALLY had it. Just because they say so doesn't make it so.

I need to start a blog....

 

[foszoe]

If you are going to be that way about it, I wish you enough breathing difficulty to understand my point.

I have a wife that is susceptible to this kinda stuff so when I posted about going to stores requiring masks because it made her feel safe and that I would say something to folks that got in our way, I took a LOT of flack for it.

Now from reading your posts it seems you too have some health issues and concerns about wearing a mask. Now thats fine too. I don't recall threatening anyone's ability to breathe though or wishing my wife's health issues on anyone.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/scleroderma/symptoms-causes/syc-20351952

So I have to ask since our concerns are both health related, where would you fall on the spectrum if someone got in our personal space and I said something about it?

 

[IndyDave1776]

I have a wife that is susceptible to this kinda stuff so when I posted about going to stores requiring masks because it made her feel safe and that I would say something to folks that got in our way, I took a LOT of flack for it.

Now from reading your posts it seems you too have some health issues and concerns about wearing a mask. Now thats fine too. I don't recall threatening anyone's ability to breathe though or wishing my wife's health issues on anyone.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/scleroderma/symptoms-causes/syc-20351952

So I have to ask since our concerns are both health related, where would you fall on the spectrum if someone got in our personal space and I said something about it?

I am so sick of this **** really don't care how the true believers go away as long as they go away.

 

[foszoe]

I am so sick of this **** really don't care how the true believers go away as long as they go away.

Well at least I know where you stand

 

[IndyDave1776]

Well at least I know where you stand

Yes, I never before imagined that being able to breathe without struggling unnecessarily would be the issueif the day. After so much you stop caring how it stops, just that it stops.

 

[SheepDog4Life]

If you are going to be that way about it, I wish you enough breathing difficulty to understand my point

I am so sick of this **** really don't care how the true believers go away as long as they go away.

One thing to tell people to go away... they don't know everything about everybody. FWIW, my barber cannot wear a mask because of breathing difficulties, COPD, etc. Dad, ditto.

Another thing entirely to intimate something physical if someone "Karens" you about not wearing a mask. They aren't right, but IMO, neither are you.

And, speaking of "true believers", there are at least two sorts.

 

[T.Lex]

Slow the transmission rate; learn more about it; develop treatments; develop vaccine. Of course, we can disagree with policy decisions that were made, but they were not (by and large) nonsensical. Also, people have a real difficultly discerning the difference between things that have an effect individually and those that can have a net effect if done society wide....or simply don't care. Decisions were based upon what they knew, or thought they knew, at the time. Sometimes it sucks to be a decision/policy maker.

I hope you don't think we're arguing, because that pretty much aligns with what I've been saying (and what I think).

What has brought us to this point involves a combination of: ignorance about this virus at every level, including the science; complacency among the populace; and, bad luck.

No value judgment there, just... pessimism, I guess.

 

[SheepDog4Life]

Some people should NOT be breathing.

Today the manager of an establishment which got added to my permanent GFY list insisted Holcomb rolled out fines for businesses which do nor enforce the mandate. I really don't know if it is the truth or not. I do know that I take the position that people who want to interfere with my breathing should not be breathing themselves.

You have more patience than I do. If Karen wants to interfere with my ability to breathe, her ability to breathe can be addressed.

Your point has evolved from passive, and understandable, to active, and unsupportable.

Just sayin'.

 

[IndyDave1776]

Your point has evolved from passive, and understandable, to active, and unsupportable.

Just sayin'.

Sorry but I have zero regard for people who hold the functional position that I do not need to breathe.

 

[JCSR]

Sorry but I have zero regard for people who hold the functional position that I do not need to breathe.

I don't have any problem breathing so this is not my hill to die on. That being said I think we should have the freedom to choose our hill. Good luck and don't back down.

 

[Tombs]

I'm sure the vaccine is fine, it's not like the CEO is refusing to take it or anything.

 

[JettaKnight]

I'm sure the vaccine is fine, it's not like the CEO is refusing to take it or anything.

TBH, damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.


The other headline could be, "Rich, white, executives takes vaccines away from working class front line."

 

[IndyDave1776]

I'm sure the vaccine is fine, it's not like the CEO is refusing to take it or anything.

TBH, damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.


The other headline could be, "Rich, white, executives takes vaccines away from working class front line."

You both make good points. At the end of the day I intend to see how it works out for others before considering it.