Barack Obama: Raise the Federal Minumum Wage automatically with inflation

[rambone]

Wait, wait, wait....are you saying that there is a time machine where we can go back and nominate someone else in 2000? 'Cause, otherwise, this "blame Bush" stuff is pretty played out.

Wait, are you saying that Bush is not responsible for owning the bills he signed?

I think a little historical context is good for us. Bush, Romney, and Obama are all in total agreement on this issue (and many others). It might be uncomfortable to learn this if you are ultra-partisan.

 

[rambone]

[ame]www.youtube.com/watch?v=siW0YAAfX6I[/ame]

 

[Cowboy71]

A minimum wage hike is just more political theater by President Barry. He knows it's not economically wise, but he can propose it and then demonize republicans as anti-poor and middle-class when they come out against the plan. It's BHO politics 101 -- propose something ridiculous but feel good enough that his ignorant voter base will be all for it and hate the GOP even more when they don't go along with the stupidity.

The sad thing is in today's America his cynical tactics work like a charm because a huge chunk of the population is too dumb or oblivious to know better.

 

[HoughMade]

Wait, are you saying that Bush is not responsible for owning the bills he signed?

I think a little historical context is good for us. Bush, Romney, and Obama are all in total agreement on this issue (and many others). It might be uncomfortable to learn this if you are ultra-partisan.

Regarding the minimum wage being and extremely poor idea, and raising it- worse- I don't care who did it. They're politicians. I am a Bush supporter, some would say fan, but I, by no means, believe that everything he did was right or wise. No politician is perfect and all have flaws. He was wrong on this one.

....so, where does that get us in the present debate about raising it?

 

[lucky4034]

What positive did either Bush ever do?

 

[boozoo]

Everyone here understands that inflation happens. Right? Historically it hovers somewhere around 3%.

So if inflation happens and people's incomes don't rise; aren't they effectively becoming poorer over time?

I'm not getting cost of living raises half the time because of this sucky economy and I'm a degreed RF Engineer.


And yes, you do become relatively poorer over time.

 

[RockofStrength]

Everyone here understands that inflation happens. Right? Historically it hovers somewhere around 3%.

So if inflation happens and people's incomes don't rise; aren't they effectively becoming poorer over time?

Yes, they are. The issue here being that raising the minimum wage can't fix that, since minimum wage increases costs to businesses who sell essential items (gas, food, restaurant services etc) and basic services who pass them on to the consumer...which includes the people who want more money to buy the gas, food, restaurant services etc.

Honestly raising the minimum wage really hurts the people in the bracket just above those jobs: the $9-$12 an hour jobs. They stand to lose a major amount of their buying power if the minimum wage is raised.

 

[EvilBlackGun]

Shall we also index ....

.... Social Security benefits, or would they be restricted due to the amount actually paid in by the workers and their employers?

 

[Liberty1911]

What positive did either Bush ever do?

GHWB appointed Clarance Thomas and GWB Alito.

Wait, we also got Souter and Roberts.

Ok, it's a wash.


When is the last time a democrat president appointed someone who turned conservative.

 

[rambone]

Regarding the minimum wage being and extremely poor idea, and raising it- worse- I don't care who did it. They're politicians. I am a Bush supporter, some would say fan, but I, by no means, believe that everything he did was right or wise. No politician is perfect and all have flaws. He was wrong on this one.

Let's be honest here. He was basically a statist across the board. Patriot Act, bailouts, DHS, TSA, No Child Left Behind, Minimum Wage hike, TARP, light bulb ban, militarized police departments, citizen watch lists, record-setting spending, tons of foreign aid & globalism. Any constitution-believing capitalist should be appalled at what occurred under Bush.

Its OK to call out Bush for being a tyrant. It doesn't turn you into a supporter of Gore, Kerry, or Obama.

....so, where does that get us in the present debate about raising it?

I think it shows us how the Establishment has favored continually raising the minimum wage, and many of the same Republican leaders who supported it before are still in office.

 

[Bunnykid68]

The unions will also demand increases for their members to offset what the minimum wage would become.

 

[HoughMade]

Let's be honest here. He was basically a statist across the board. Patriot Act, bailouts, DHS, TSA, No Child Left Behind, Minimum Wage hike, TARP, light bulb ban, militarized police departments, citizen watch lists, record-setting spending, tons of foreign aid & globalism. Any constitution-believing capitalist should be appalled at what occurred under Bush.

Its OK to call out Bush for being a tyrant. It doesn't turn you into a supporter of Gore, Kerry, or Obama.


I think it shows us how the Establishment has favored continually raising the minimum wage, and many of the same Republican leaders who supported it before are still in office.

No matter how hard you try, I'm not going to drag your thread off topic.

....back to the minimum wage where we agree.

 

[AtTheMurph]

Where does the Federal government draw this power to set a minimum wage anyways? Can't seem to find it anywhere in the Constitution and that means the 10th Amendment prohibits it.

 

[HoughMade]

The same place they claim gives them all the powers they don't rightfully have- "Interstate Commerce" and Wickard v. Filburn

 

[AtTheMurph]

The same place they claim gives them all the powers they don't rightfully have- "Interstate Commerce" and Wickard v. Filburn

Supreme court decisions are not law. We should all remember that.

 

[johnny45]

The minimum wage laws should be abolished.

 

[UncleMike]

Supreme court decisions are not law. We should all remember that.

Uhhhh.......
Then why does every Atorney in the country refer to SCOTUS decisions as Case Law?

 

[johnny45]

Let's be honest here. He was basically a statist across the board. Patriot Act, bailouts, DHS, TSA, No Child Left Behind, Minimum Wage hike, TARP, light bulb ban, militarized police departments, citizen watch lists, record-setting spending, tons of foreign aid & globalism. Any constitution-believing capitalist should be appalled at what occurred under Bush.

Its OK to call out Bush for being a tyrant. It doesn't turn you into a supporter of Gore, Kerry, or Obama.


I think it shows us how the Establishment has favored continually raising the minimum wage, and many of the same Republican leaders who supported it before are still in office.

But.... but.... but how could he be a statist? He was a Republican

We essentially went from statist to statist on roids.

 

[qwerty]

Milton said it best....nearly 40 years ago.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ca8Z__o52sk[/ame]

 

[mrjarrell]

The unions will also demand increases for their members to offset what the minimum wage would become.

Many unions won't have to. Lots of them have their wages pegged to the minimum wage, so that when it goes up, their wages go up. It's a win/win for the unions. A rise in the MW is an instant pay raise for them.