And who are we to tell them they have to live like us instead?Point is very few people over there appreciate what we gave them. They would rather live like they did in the 1700's.
Good riddance.
And who are we to tell them they have to live like us instead?Point is very few people over there appreciate what we gave them. They would rather live like they did in the 1700's.
I have no idea what the correct course of action might have been, and I seriously doubt Trump had any better ideas than me. However, considering that throughout his term in office there were an endless stream of articles assuring us that the professionals throughout the government and military were ignoring him to limit the damage he could do, he is the one President in the last 20 years that one can make a case had little to do with the outcome.Well of course it`s all Trump`s fault...this buffoon is a freaking imbecile:
Biden sends 5,000 troops to Afghanistan, blames Trump for Taliban resurgence
President Joe Biden released a statement Saturday from the White House blaming his decision to surge U.S. troops to Afghanistan to combat the Taliban's surging land acquisition on the policies of former President Donald Trump.www.yahoo.com
That sounds like an elaborate way to funnel taxpayer $ into the hands of contractors and then have some of that $ be funneled back into re-election campaignsWe built these people a huge 335 electric power plant and it supplies Kubal. They are so behind the times they only use about 1% of the energy it can produce, we also spent 100 million upgrading another plant that was already there. This is all going to the taliban.
We've built them new hospitals and furnished them as well as rebuilt older ones. All going to the taliban.
State of the art water plants.
The list goes on and on.
Point is very few people over there appreciate what we gave them. They would rather live like they did in the 1700's.
Exactly! We should never take on rebuilding and winning hearts and minds. We should kill our enemies and if they run and hide that's good too. Then leave the country. If they start crap again go over take out the enemies and leave. No rebuilding or reimbursement to our enemies.And who are we to tell them they have to live like us instead?
Good riddance.
I guess the taliban don’t want any spooks sticking around after the “withdrawal”
Obama 2.0
Not surprising to me. As soon as the pull out started many were probably making deals to stay alive. I imagine the majority joined the taliban.
The trajectory was the same for the western-held portions of Germany. Are you saying we should partition Afghanistan? Not into East and West but perhaps 20th century and 10th century? The RoKs and the Bundeswehr were willing to fight for their freedom, I see no such faction in Afghanistan and west is too distracted by whether their women or children have every 'right' that a corrupt, dissipated, woke America believes they should have. Time to concentrate on getting our own house in order, everybody else needs to hold on until we're done or go it aloneSpecial Forces and Airpower worked for both the USSR and the US. It's when it went conventional the quagmire began.
We fought to a stalemate in the ROK in 1953. 35 years later the Summer Olympics were hosted in Seoul. Does anybody think this bunch could host the 2036 games? Or the 2136 games?
I have no idea what the correct course of action might have been, and I seriously doubt Trump had any better ideas than me. However, considering that throughout his term in office there were an endless stream of articles assuring us that the professionals throughout the government and military were ignoring him to limit the damage he could do, he is the one President in the last 20 years that one can make a case had little to do with the outcome.
When you referred to Hillary as SECDEF it took a moment to get the direction of your comment. I was AD for all eight years of the Clinton Admin and was at No-Hope-Pope when Hillary decided we'd send forces to a country in Africa with which we had no SOFA (Status Of Forces Agreement.)Obama the Droner In Chief? Lol, no, lets give credit where it's due even if we don't like him. He had the military bombing/drone striking in some half-a-dozen countries, massively increased troop levels on the ground, etc. I'm not arguing it's a good thing, obviously, but he continued to seek a military resolution and was not a party to a peace deal with the Taliban like the last two POTUS.
No, this is not Obama 2.0 regardless of it that's good or bad. Not to harp on Clinton again, but this isn't even Clinton 2.0. This is everyone else dealing with the effluence storm that he let brew and then Bush steered the ship directly into...and what else could he do on the topic of Afghanistan at that time (not hindsight, remember what you felt like immediately post 9/11). This is Bill's legacy and, to a lesser extent, SecDef Hillary's.
No. Just comparing and contrasting.The trajectory was the same for the western-held portions of Germany. Are you saying we should partition Afghanistan? Not into East and West but perhaps 20th century and 10th century? The RoKs and the Bundeswehr were willing to fight for their freedom, I see no such faction in Afghanistan and west is too distracted by whether their women or children have every 'right' that a corrupt, dissipated, woke America believes they should have. Time to concentrate on getting our own house in order, everybody else needs to hold on until we're done or go it alone
If you haven't read it, I can recommend Steve Coll's Ghost Wars, one of the most disheartening things about it is how few of the names of the warlords (or their families) have changed in the history of the place or since 2004, when it was writtenI will state up front that I am talking completely out of my hat, I have not studied the region, the conflict, or anything else that qualifies me to say anything about it.
This is spot on, if we HAD to get involved in nation building. Better still to not go there at allThat said, just a guess based on what I see of the idiots in our government. I bet we spent a great deal of blood, time, and treasure attempting to build a society acceptable to us when our goal should have simply been building a society acceptable to them that wasn't hostile to us.
When you referred to Hillary as SECDEF it took a moment to get the direction of your comment. I was AD for all eight years of the Clinton Admin and was at No-Hope-Pope when Hillary decided we'd send forces to a country in Africa with which we had no SOFA (Status Of Forces Agreement.)
About 30 minutes after I got a call from an Aircraft Maintenance supervisor to discuss the deployment, it became a "Classified Deployment" (can't have the people knowing the unelected/unappointed Hillary was ordering the deployment of forces.)
Philip D. Zelikow, the executive director of the 9/11 report, actually identifies nine key moments in Clinton’s presidency when a different decision might have led to bin Laden’s death. “On every one of these nine choices there are people who believe the President could have made a different choice,” Zelikow said. “And, in each case, there are people who believe the President made the right call.”
FixyWhen I was VERY new to the USAF I heard the phrase, "nuke em til they glow, use their arses for runway lights." It would requirea lot of will[one SSBN or a couple of ALCMs] to do that, and Idon't[wish I could] seeHarry Truman[Curtis LeMay] walking through that door.
'Interesting' as in 'May you live in interesting times', yes?Be interesting to see if the chinese will do any better running the place, and what the US departure will do to the balance between India and Pakistan.
Obama 2.0