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    I think that there's very few citizens there who would fight for their own country without U.S. troops doing the majority of the fighting.

    There were thousands of armed citizens, yet as soon as the U.S. begins its pullout, they all just hand their weapons over to the taliban and join them. That is not the action of a citizenry who is interested in fighting for their country.
    Maybe the Taliban is what they wanted for their country.
     

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    I know many here probably don’t have Snapchat but this is from the snap map in Kabul. Women at a water park in swimsuits and bikinis. Wtf do we believe anymore? Is this a snap that w

     

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    Greg Hunter's take on Afghanistan.
    No matter what one may think of the source or the article itself, you can’t argue with the quote “too stupid to be stupid”.
     

    2A-Hoosier23

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    If anyone is more interested in the history and characteristics of Afghanistan, here is a point that can't be ignored:

    The country easily has enough natural resources to provide for its people. Corrupt leaders have pillaged the resources for their own profit and the people have always been left to fend for themselves. The country itself is not poor -- only the people are poor.

    Here is a country, if properly organized, that would be one of the richest and strongest in Asia.
     

    Twangbanger

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    If anyone is more interested in the history and characteristics of Afghanistan, here is a point that can't be ignored:

    The country easily has enough natural resources to provide for its people. Corrupt leaders have pillaged the resources for their own profit and the people have always been left to fend for themselves. The country itself is not poor -- only the people are poor.

    Here is a country, if properly organized, that would be one of the richest and strongest in Asia.

    But here we go again. How do you realize that unachieved potential? This could be said about any number of places. Unrealized potential is endemic in the world. Japan has nothing in the way of natural resources, and yet look at them. It's what's "between the ears" that counts. And Afghanistan has shown us, repeatedly, that what's between their ears is garbage, in the sense of being able to sum up into an integrated, functioning society.
     

    2A-Hoosier23

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    But here we go again. How do you realize that unachieved potential? This could be said about any number of places. Unrealized potential is endemic in the world. Japan has nothing in the way of natural resources, and yet look at them. It's what's "between the ears" that counts. And Afghanistan has shown us, repeatedly, that what's between their ears is garbage, in the sense of being able to sum up into an integrated, functioning society.
    Absolutely true of the entire world. There is hardly a poor country in the world. Poor people everywhere, yes, but almost every inhabitable place has enough natural resource to take care of the material needs of everyone living there. Africa, properly organized, would likely be the richest continent in the world; it has more crucial resources than any other continent especially with the boom of electric cars and other products needing lithium. If it's true of Afghanistan, it's more true of Africa.

    I only make the point about Afghanistan because of its truly insane reserves of wealth. There are trillions, not just billions, to be made in a land with just roughly 35 million native. One of the big reasons many of the world's empires have had a go.
     

    BehindBlueI's

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    ..., in the sense of being able to sum up into an integrated, functioning society.

    Pretty much this. If you can't industrialize and educate your own workforce, it won't matter what your natural resources are. With a few exceptions, natural resources from poor countries sent to industrialized nations really don't do much to lift the poor countries out of poverty. Oil/natural gas being the big exception, and that's due to scale. If used to springboard in to other things, it can be a big boost. If the goal is just to extract (phosphates/precious stones/natural rubber/timber/whatever) until (same whatever) runs out or is replaced by a cheaper/better option then even without corruption it's a losing battle long term. Note much of the reason something like a diamond is expensive is because of the cost of accessing it and then getting it ready for market. How often are foreign companies the ones doing the extraction? And then taking the steps to prep it for end consumers?
     

    BigRed

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    Seriously...can we just drop the bomb on Pakistan? Our goal in Afghanistan was to establish the much-hoped-for "Islamic Democracy." What is the closest available role model to how that might work out? Pakistan. What are the outputs of that, from our standpoint? They harbored Osama B/L for god knows how long, they support the Taliban, they harbor their leaders, they provide medical care for their fighters...it's like a Club Med for Islamic warlords for when they get tired of sleeping in caves and want to have child-sex in a place that has running water and you don't have to wipe your butt with your hand. If that's how the Islamic world does Democracy, why did we spend $2Trillion trying to create a larger version of that with more Poppies?

    We act like democracy magically immunizes these places against being ignorant f*ckheads...except when it doesn't. And when it goes bad, all democracy does is turns the place into a "sovereign entity" run by corrupt cricket-playing playboys that we're not allowed to attack. Maybe we need to take a different approach. If we need to pin a name on the "desired state," let's call it the "Back Forty Model" or the "Raytheon Test Range" model of government. Instead of trying to social-experiment the place into a western neoliberal vegetable garden, allow it to remain a tribal Mad Max wasteland where we go in and prune the brush with Tomahawks every so often. Update our terrain maps every 10 years and call it good. It would be a nice, low-maintenance fly-over territory where America can deal with it in a way that we're good at. And, it's two-way-robust in that, when America inevitably decides to elect a low-IQ dunce of a chimpanzee as President every so often (eg. GW Bush or Biden), there's not enough complexity for the Chimp to mess it up. I would gladly present this idea at Davos...


    The land of islam......is a ****hole.
     

    JCSR

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    This goes with my post above.

    U.S. Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin

    'U.S. troops do not have the capability to help get people to the airport in #Afghanistan's capital Kabul to be evacuated as they are focused on securing the airfield'
     

    BigRed

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    Greg Hunter's take on Afghanistan.


    And this ******* received more votes than any other candidate in history........we are told to believe.

    As far as I am concerned, he and those of his ilk can burn in ****.
     
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