22LR flippers

[jamil]

And if those single sales continue over and over a retail license is required otherwise the state law is being broken.

Same as if one was having a continuous garage sale going on for weeks and months at a time.

Don't believe it, check with the state.

there has to be some way we can make you "right". Hey, let's go for the sales tax angle. Yeah. Anyone who makes a habit of private sales is automatically an unrighteous criminal. Yeah. Bastards, the lot of them.

I guess my Dad should have been arrested for all those years he sold produce from his oversized garden to coworkers. The old woman down the street selling fresh eggs should be jailed as well. ****ing criminals. Why they're the bain of society. It's attitudes like theirs, daring to make private sales outside of the king's taxes, that make "flippers" so bad. If flippers only charged sales tax, then they'd be righteous.

 

[billt]

there has to be some way we can make you "right". Hey, let's go for the sales tax angle. Yeah. Anyone who makes a habit of private sales is automatically an unrighteous criminal. Yeah. Bastards, the lot of them.

I guess my Dad should have been arrested for all those years he sold produce from his oversized garden to coworkers. The old woman down the street selling fresh eggs should be jailed as well. ****ing criminals. Why they're the bain of society. It's attitudes like theirs, daring to make private sales outside of the king's taxes, that make "flippers" so bad. If flippers only charged sales tax, then they'd be righteous.

I keep getting jcwit and you, ("jamil"), confused. Thanks to this post, that won't ever happen again!

 

[billt]

If flippers only charged sales tax, then they'd be righteous.

The thing is the flipper has already paid the sales tax when he bought the ammo. If he sells it and charges tax again, that's double taxation. He can't just charge tax on the difference. It's got to be the full Monty.....Again. Where does this end? This is a lot like used cars being resold at a dealership. Every time it changes owners from when it leaves the factory, yet another set of sales taxes are collected. I can't believe anyone in their right mind would argue in favor of something like this?? And we wonder why this country is so screwed up?

 

[jamil]

I keep getting jcwit and you, ("jamil"), confused. Thanks to this post, that won't ever happen again!

Heh, just remember I'm the sarcastic one who sometimes writes words that the complex INGO translation algorithms can only render as ****.

 

[jamil]

The thing is the flipper has already paid the sales tax when he bought the ammo. If he sells it and charges tax again, that's double taxation. He can't just charge tax on the difference. It's got to be the full Monty.....Again. Where does this end? This is a lot like used cars being resold at a dealership. Every time it changes owners from when it leaves the factory, yet another set of sales taxes are collected. I can't believe anyone in their right mind would argue in favor of something like this?? And we wonder why this country is so screwed up?

Maybe I'm from a simpler time, but I think it was okay for my dad to sell stuff from his garden without having to collect sales tax. And I hope the old lady from down the road doesn't get busted for selling eggs to supplement her income.

 

[Joe G]

You sure do concern yourself with the legal nuances of other people's selling practices. If this is seriously the best argument you can come up with against 22 resellers.....well, it's weak.

Personally, I'd prefer to do away with retail licenses. But hey - I guess I prefer less government, not more.

think of the children!











(BTW... I'd give you rep if I could. )

 

[M4Madness]

My local Wal-Mart had Winchester 555's and CCI Swamp People 375's yesterday morning.






Why Can’t I Find .22 LR Ammunition?!?!?

Written by Sierra Bullets Vice-President of Sales Matt Reams

Even though Sierra Bullets does not make .22 LR ammo or projectiles, we are constantly asked “Why can’t I find any .22 LR ammo anywhere?” Even the conspiracy theorists are at a loss on this one as they can’t even blame it on the government. They toss around thoughts of warehouses full of .22 LR rotting away just to keep it out of their hands, but that does not seem very realistic – even to them.

So what is going on here? Why is it that 1.5 years later, the shelves are still empty and bricks of .22 LR can still be seen selling for upwards of $75-$100 at gun shows? I do not believe there is one answer, but rather a few. Here are my opinions on the matter, for what they are worth.

Hoarders – Some people are piling it away in their basements, garages, bunkers, and under their beds due to fear of not being able to find it again. This is not a huge factor in it, but it is still a factor to some degree. When these hoarders can’t find it on shelves, it only panics them more and causes them to buy even more when they do find it.

Gougers – These are the guys who prey on the fear of the hoarders. These are the guys that wait in line at Wal-Mart at 3 a.m. to buy up the daily allotment that Wal-Mart puts out at normal retail prices and then double or triple their price on the weekend gun show circuit. Again, not a huge factor, but keeping the shelves looking empty which keeps the panic level higher for those that are looking.

Demand – Now we are getting to the real meat of the issue. You hear manufactures say they are running 24/7 on their Rimfire lines which is putting somewhere around 25-30 million rounds PER DAY (estimate on my part from numbers I have heard from the big rimfire guys) into the market – so how can there be a shortage? I have asked this myself – until we start doing even a little basic math. You hear all kind of numbers about how many firearms owners are in the USA, but you hear 70-80 million quite often. So for the sake of us not arguing that number – let’s cut it to 35 million. Do you know a gun owner that does not own at least one firearm chambered in .22 LR? Do you know any that are not looking for .22 LR ammo or would at least buy some if they saw it for normal prices? How many would they buy when they found it? A lot – right? But again, just to keep the argument on the low end, let’s say they would all be satisfied with just a single 500 pack. 35 million multiplied by 500 .22 LR rounds for them all – is 17.5 BILLION rounds. Let that sink in. Even at 25 million rounds being made PER DAY – that is 1.92 years’ worth of production.
Starts making some sense then doesn’t it? Hoarding and panic emptied the shelves. Gougers try and keep them empty and demand does keep them empty. Then factor in that I probably cut the real number of 22 LR shooters in ½ and probably underestimated the amount everyone would buy if they found it at normal prices by 300% and you can see how deep the problem really is and why it is not going to go away tomorrow. It also does not take into account the world market – just the USA.

How will it get better? Slowly. The hoarders will get to a point that they feel they have enough or will run out of money. The shelves will start getting enough on them that the gougers cannot buy it all. This will make people stop paying $50-$75 for a brick at gun shows. That will make it less profitable for the gougers to spend their money on and they will stop. The shelves will start to have product again which will ease people’s fears and get them back to buying what they need today instead of what they need for the decade. There is no fast answer.
Are the manufactures hiring people for extra shifts and adding capacity – sure they are. But it is easy to just expect them to ramp up production overnight to take care of our needs, but that is just not realistic. We get the same thing here. The market certainly has not grown 500% so what happens when companies add all that super expensive equipment when things get back to normal? They take a bath on it for sure and waste capital that they could have used to improve their company in a way that makes them stronger. Instead they just added equipment they may never need again and have to mothball while they lay off workers they no longer need. Not a great way to run a business and not a fair way to treat employees.
We all just have to trust that it will get better, do not buy more than we need and wait it out. It will not get better overnight. It will start out with a box here and there and then a few and then slowly the shelves will get back to having all the supply and selection we picky consumers are accustom to and will certainly appreciate much more than we ever did before……if only for a little while.

 

[jamil]

My local Wal-Mart had Winchester 555's and CCI Swamp People 375's yesterday morning.

It's a simple case of supply and demand. What do you think happens in a market where the demand is high and there are large, lower cost supply channels? Exactly what we're seeing. Enterprising people are snatching it up from the lower cost retail supply channels and they're selli g it for its real market value. Raise the price across the board and 22 will be back to normal in a few months.

 

[30calmachinegunner]

Got me 3 more federal bulk packs last night, could of had them for $60 plus change but gave them $80 because I'm not having to wait around for them

 

[U.S. Patriot]

Littering and littering and, buying .22's.

 

[38special]

Littering and littering and, buying .22's.

The Remington's taste like Remington's!

 

[jcwit]

Maybe I'm from a simpler time, but I think it was okay for my dad to sell stuff from his garden without having to collect sales tax. And I hope the old lady from down the road doesn't get busted for selling eggs to supplement her income.

Sales tax isn't collected on food items.

Where you been for the last 20/30 years?

 

[jcwit]

It's a simple case of supply and demand. What do you think happens in a market where the demand is high and there are large, lower cost supply channels? Exactly what we're seeing. Enterprising people are snatching it up from the lower cost retail supply channels and they're selli g it for its real market value. Raise the price across the board and 22 will be back to normal in a few months.

So you're telling the largest retailer in the world how to run their business. That's a joke.

 

[ljk]

I just can't believe this thread is still going strong.

 

[aaron580]

And if those single sales continue over and over a retail license is required otherwise the state law is being broken.

Same as if one was having a continuous garage sale going on for weeks and months at a time.

Don't believe it, check with the state.

Grey free market bro, thats capitalism for you. I am a retailer, I have no issue with grey market at all. I dare you to challenge me on anything business, since I happen to have lived, breathed, and bleed business my whole life...

 

[jamil]

Sales tax isn't collected on food items.

Where you been for the last 20/30 years?

The post was in reference to a simpler time when people could sell to each other without needing to collect sales tax and have licenses and stuff. My Dad hasn't had a garden that he sold food from for 40 years. He died of old age several years ago. Back when he did sell stuff from his garden, there was indeed sales tax on food in that state, and there were no laws saying he couldn't do what he was doing. It was a simpler time indeed.

So you're telling the largest retailer in the world how to run their business. That's a joke.

Comprehension. noun. The action or ability to understand something.

Hint. I did not tell the largest retailer in the world how to run their business.

I just can't believe this thread is still going strong.

Peeps still got **** to say.

 

[billt]

Sales tax isn't collected on food items.

Where you been for the last 20/30 years?

Which States Tax the Sale of Food for Home Consumption in 2009? ? Center on Budget and Policy Priorities

 

[38special]

I'm still not seeing any liberty-minded answers for why the flippers are such horrible people.

Any arguments based on facts? Any arguments based in liberty?

Yeah, didn't think so.

 

[30calmachinegunner]

I'm still not seeing any liberty-minded answers for why the flippers are such horrible people.

Any arguments based on facts? Any arguments based in liberty?

Yeah, didn't think so.

They're only terrible if they have what you want at a price you can't afford
The problem is the panic buyers who "just have to have it" at whatever cost, if there were no buyers then there wouldn't be such high asking prices.

 

[billt]

They're only terrible if they have what you want at a price you can't afford

So then Tiffany's must be a "terrible" jewelry store, and Mercedes Benz is a "terrible" car manufacturer. Rolex must be just a horrible watch maker, while Timex is grandiose.