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Shouldn't they be beating up hispanics? or at least whites AND hispanics? You know, to cover both bases.
You must NOT expect reasonable behavior from inherently irrational individuals! I know you know better than that!
Shouldn't they be beating up hispanics? or at least whites AND hispanics? You know, to cover both bases.
BUT SERIOUSLY... Zimmerman wasn't doing anything "unlawful" (based on the evidence so far) PERIOD. Nothing else should matter. If it turns out that he was doing something "unlawful" then that is another matter.
Griffin, you forgot the Kryptonite!!!!!
Does this apply to stalking another civilian down the street? Was Zimmerman legal to carry a gun?
Well according to you, if Zimmerman stayed in his truck only you know what Martin would have done...How could he have been followed back to his truck if he never got out? If Martin tried attacking Zimmerman while he was in the truck, there were would be evidence proving that fact.
Instead, Zimmerman placed himself in a situation that has no "smoking gun" evidence to vindicate him. Your property is not worth my livelihood.
Take all the racial components out of this and make it a white on white crime. Post about it in the carry issues forum and I'd bet at least half of the posters would say it was a bad shoot or was not a situation where the shooter should have put himself in that position for ZERO evidence of a crime in progress.
Back to your race baitin hate fest.
Stalking? Doing his volunteer job as a neighborhood watch captain is making sure the people in the area are supposed to be there right?Does this apply to stalking another civilian down the street? Was Zimmerman legal to carry a gun?
BUT SERIOUSLY... Zimmerman wasn't doing anything "unlawful" (based on the evidence so far) PERIOD. Nothing else should matter. If it turns out that he was doing something "unlawful" then that is another matter.
I have to disagree that "nothing else should matter". What is lawful is kinda of the barest lowest denominator of acceptable human conduct. There are tons of "lawful" action that are both wrong and/or stupid and that have real consequences.
Even if what Z did that night was completely lawful, I still put to you that it was stupid and stupid can and does hurt. In this case, it is hurting not only him, but every person who has an interest in keeping the self-defense laws favorable to those who simply wish to truly exercise that right.
Nevermind that a guy walking home with his junk food is now dead.
Joe
You must NOT expect reasonable behavior from inherently irrational individuals! I know you know better than that!
I have to disagree that "nothing else should matter". What is lawful is kinda of the barest lowest denominator of acceptable human conduct. There are tons of "lawful" action that are both wrong and/or stupid and that have real consequences.
Even if what Z did that night was completely lawful, I still put to you that it was stupid and stupid can and does hurt. In this case, it is hurting not only him, but every person who has an interest in keeping the self-defense laws favorable to those who simply wish to truly exercise that right.
Nevermind that a guy walking home with his junk food is now dead.
Joe
Wow, this just goes and goes and goes. I followed a young black male down the street 2 nights ago. I saw him up by my daughters SUV "In" the driveway "Off" the sidewalk "Near" the front porch. My son went around the back and I went out the front. He saw me and went to the sidewalk and started walking. I was behind him and my son intercepted him before he made the neighbors driveway. We walked behind him down to the corner and just let him know we were there. He did not look or acknowledge us in any way. When he made the corner he put on the afterburners and ran like the wind. Doubt he will come "LURKING" around anymore. Yes, I was armed. No, the police were not called. When seconds count, LEO is 20 minutes away.
What was he doing in our yard. I own both houses and they are posted no trespass. Does this make me a stalker. No, it makes me a property owner. My neighbors have called me in the night when something or someone frightens them. We take care of our own.
Yes, he had a Florida permit to carry, and "following" and "stalking" are not only different things by definition, but in legality as well...
If "favorable self defense" laws are so fragile and at risk then we got bigger problems then people doing "stupid" (what constitutes "stupid" being based on your opinion of course) but "lawful" actions that "endanger" them.
edit: I do find it interesting that we flip flop so much between what we view as "courageous" versus "stupid" depending on the public fall out of an action.
So do you really believe that "lawfulness" is the sole denominator of the correctness of an action? Do you really want to rely on the "law" for that?
For example, Angela Corey's decision to proceed with a 2nd degree murder charge has already been ruled by a judge to be lawful. Is it not still possible that that action is stupid/wrong?
Also, contrary to your premise "courageous" and "stupid" are not mutually exclusive modifiers.
Joe
According to some your lawful actions were "stupid" and you have endangered the favorable self defense laws here in Indiana.
Shame on you.
Wow, this just goes and goes and goes. I followed a young black male down the street 2 nights ago. I saw him up by my daughters SUV "In" the driveway "Off" the sidewalk "Near" the front porch. My son went around the back and I went out the front. He saw me and went to the sidewalk and started walking. I was behind him and my son intercepted him before he made the neighbors driveway. We walked behind him down to the corner and just let him know we were there. He did not look or acknowledge us in any way. When he made the corner he put on the afterburners and ran like the wind. Doubt he will come "LURKING" around anymore. Yes, I was armed. No, the police were not called. When seconds count, LEO is 20 minutes away.
What was he doing in our yard. I own both houses and they are posted no trespass. Does this make me a stalker. No, it makes me a property owner. My neighbors have called me in the night when something or someone frightens them. We take care of our own.
To clarify. Hating on the race baiters. Not accusing anyone here of doing the race baiting.