SirRealism
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- Nov 17, 2008
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what the he**? didnt i just ask something(rhetorical) from the same side of the fence as you? i was on board with what you were saying. perhaps you should look again
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what the he**? didnt i just ask something(rhetorical) from the same side of the fence as you? i was on board with what you were saying. perhaps you should look again
Like I said earlier, the Libertarians have been infiltrated by leftists and anarchists. Many of whom wish to see US sovereignty watered down.
Nobody who truly wishes to see the US regain it's stronghold as free, sovereign nation will find satisfaction in from the Libertarians. It's refreshing, though sadly rare, to see one admit it.
Then no libertarian candidate is for you. We believe in free market capitalism, not protectionist mercantilism. Maybe the federalist party from the year 1800 will be happy to have you.
Until then, the rest of us live in the year 2010 where globalization is inevitable and virtuous.
But they also have to fight their own communications "difficulties". (I'm speaking in generalities... not talking specific about people.) If the Republicans are a notch or two below the Dems regarding marketing (and that's being kind), then Libertarians are a notch below that.
3.4 Free Trade and Migration
We support the removal of governmental impediments to free trade. Political freedom and escape
from tyranny demand that individuals not be unreasonably constrained by government in the
crossing of political boundaries. Economic freedom demands the unrestricted movement of human
as well as financial capital across national borders. However, we support control over the entry into
our country of foreign nationals who pose a credible threat to security, health or property.
Id still like to hear on this board Rebecca give her views on the borders and immigration. I think that possibly many folks do not realize the Libertarians are against border control and favor no real controls on illegal immitgration.
THAT is such a huge issue that the Libertarians are so WRONG on that it drives away potential supporters in droves.
Id like to support them but this is such an important issue in this country there is no way I can support them.
IF libertarians want no government control then the problems associated with illegals would be even worse.
Even more of them on the road with no liscense or insurance and even less of a clue of the current rules of the road. More accidents and deaths.
Even more of them clogging up the criminal system, even more of them saturating our emergency rooms, even more of them vieing for gubment handouts, and even more of them willing to work at construction and other lower paying jobs for pennies on the dollar that they dont pay taxes on.
We all know the problems of illegals and unfortunatly the Libertarians dont see the problem.
Id still like to hear on this board Rebecca give her views on the borders and immigration.
I think that possibly many folks do not realize the Libertarians are against border control and favor no real controls on illegal immitgration.
The libertarians are wishy washy on the current mess IMO. I have yet to see the libertarian party come out STRONGLY in favor of border control. IF I am wrong I will take it back but Id like to see a simply worded statement affirming or denying support of a secure border including as big a fence as can be built and deporting illegals.
The libertarians are wishy washy on the current mess IMO. I have yet to see the libertarian party come out STRONGLY in favor of border control. IF I am wrong I will take it back but Id like to see a simply worded statement affirming or denying support of a secure border including as big a fence as can be built and deporting illegals.
I hope Rebecca's response clears that up for you.Id still like to hear on this board Rebecca give her views on the borders and immigration. I think that possibly many folks do not realize the Libertarians are against border control and favor no real controls on illegal immitgration.
Rebecca Sink-Burris said:Indiana has a group of pragmatic Libertarians including myself who realize that open borders are not compatible with a welfare state or with national security concerns in regards to terrorism.
Rebecca Sink-Burris said:Providing welfare to those who are here illegally provides an incentive for border crossing. Making legal immigration take too long and unduly restricting guest worker visas makes people more likely to come here illegally. Just changing these items would go far in improving the situation.
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End government welfare benefits for those who are here illegally. Let churches and private charities take over this role.
Rebecca Sink-Burris said:Keep out those who are a danger to the U.S., criminals, and terrorists along with those having dangerous communicable diseases. This should be the emphasis of our border policies.
I think that is a fair statement
Duncan
t they also have to fight their own communications "difficulties". (I'm speaking in generalities... not talking specific about people.) If the Republicans are a notch or two below the Dems regarding marketing (and that's being kind), then Libertarians are a notch below that.
I think that is a fair statement
Duncan
I hope Rebecca's response clears that up for you.
Just in case, let me highlight some of her major points:
This screams out to me that she is NOT for open borders.
STOP giving incentives to people who immigrate here illegally.
Does this statement indicate to you that border security is a low priority???
Thank you, Rebecca, for taking the time to respond to this specific request for information!!
[FONT="]Our southern border is out of control and illegal immigration is only part of the problem. But don’t allow the Old Parties to distract you by getting you to blame immigrants for the problems we face. If the politicians had not taxed and spent our country into trillions of dollars of debt, ruining our economy in the process we could have more than enough jobs for everyone and more. The established parties just love to pit one group against another so that they can continue to hand bailouts, tax benefits and legislative favors to their large contributors. Don’t let them use you to keep themselves in power. [/FONT] [FONT="]On Libertarians and Immigration[/FONT]
[FONT="]Indiana has a group of pragmatic Libertarians including myself who realize that open borders are not compatible with a welfare state or with national security concerns in regards to terrorism. [/FONT]
[FONT="]As a Libertarian I often begin looking at a problem by asking what has been done that has aggravated or even created the problem. Often I find that actions that government has taken in the past have caused or worsened an ongoing problem, and that is certainly the case with our immigration and border problems. [/FONT]
[FONT="]Providing welfare to those who are here illegally provides an incentive for border crossing. Making legal immigration take too long and unduly restricting guest worker visas makes people more likely to come here illegally. Just changing these items would go far in improving the situation.
I suggest several actions that would improve the situation, please notice that I said "improve," because nothing we do will ever perfectly solve any problem. At any rate I advocate the following;
Making it much easier to immigrate and to come here to work. Immigration should not be a 10 year process with a mountain of confusing and unnecessary paperwork. Expedite bringing family members together.[/FONT]
[FONT="]Expand work visas so that those who want can go back and forth rather than staying here.
Keep out those who are a danger to the U.S., criminals, and terrorists along with those having dangerous communicable diseases. This should be the emphasis of our border policies.
End government welfare benefits for those who are here illegally. Let churches and private charities take over this role.
De-escalate the insane and failed "War on Drugs" and the violence on the border will be dramatically reduced, just like the crime rate fell after prohibition. Check out Portugal's experience with this policy and you will see they have actually been able to reduce drug use in their country.
Enact the Fair Tax, under which everyone in this country will be paying taxes, legals, illegals, drug dealers and others in the underground economy. Another benefit of this tax system would be the incredible jobs growth that would occur, so much so that people would no longer complain that immigrants are taking American jobs.[/FONT]
[FONT="]Expand free trade, so that there will be more low skill manufacturing taking place south of the border.[/FONT]
[FONT="]End farm subsidies that are putting Mexican farmers out of work by under cutting the prices of farm commodities. These farmers will then be more likely stay in Mexico. [/FONT]
[FONT="]For those already here illegally we can take measures that do not reward them for not following the law. Denying the vote to those who have come here unlawfully would be one type of restriction that we might consider.
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The illegal immigration problem can be dealt with. Don't let this issue distract you from replacing those in office now with people who will renew America's promise of limited government and respect for liberty.