Every MCS course includes ....
ahh ha. The lightbulb just came on. After a quick search I now realize I've been sucked into an infomercial...
-rvb
Every MCS course includes ....
ahh ha. The lightbulb just came on. After a quick search I now realize I've been sucked into an infomercial...
-rvb
mercop,
you refered to training swat guys, so yes I figured you did some leo training. I had no idea you offered private training on the subject until you mentioned the company name and I did a quick search.
a little up-front disclosure goes a long way in preventing the appearance of being partial. Lack of that disclosure combined with a one-sided and close-minded attitude towards alternatives ("WTF...WTFC") leaves a bad impression.
at no point have I said your type of training is bad. at no point have I said someone can learn it all from the games. at no point have I said or implied I know it all. I even agree that you're posting valuable info. notice I never even addressed the combat part, the 2nd half, of your first post; all I addressed was an alternative way for people to gain experience doing things like carrying stuff and opening doors safely.
-rvb
ahh ha. The lightbulb just came on. After a quick search I now realize I've been sucked into an infomercial...
-rvb
Ah, but I'm sure it would be much easier to teach Mr. Race Car driver how to drive on the street than it would be to teach a new driver to do the same OR to teach a regular driver how to drive on a racetrack. Mastering the fundamentals of driving/shooting is the key becoming a good driver/shooter, and I just find it hard to believe that someone with a little tactical training and shooting instruction (i.e. Joe Cop) would be able to put up any kind of fight against someone with no tactical training but an extreme amount of shooting experience (i.e Joe Gamer) unless it were in extreme close quarters, where other techniques come in play. I do not say this to put down anybody, but I have seen average cops shoot USPSA, and they do so very safely, carefully, deliberately... and slowly. I feel very confident that I could take them on with Simunitions.That is an interesting comparison, and one I thought about after you posted it. But I think I will have to respectfully disagree. Here's why:
You take someone who's never driven a car before and teach them to drive a 200mph IndyCar. They learn the fundamentals of the controls, as well as passing, drafting, braking, etc. You work with this person long enough, and you could turn out one awesome race car driver.
Now, take that race car driver, and put him in Ford Taurus in the middle of Fishers. Yes, he could drive that car as fast as it will go in his world, but now he has to deal with other drivers, traffic signals, crossing pedestrians, inclement weather-- which is, coincidentally, called "defensive driving". I don't think he would fare too well in this new world. Sure he can make the car perform, but that won't do any good if he keeps blowing through stop signs and running over small children.
Now let's carry this back over to the 'gun world':
The IDPA practitioner is the race car driver. He can shoot, and he can shoot fast and accurately. His draw is perfect, his stance is excellent, and he wastes no movement in his actions. He is, by all standards, a great shooter.
But put Mr. IDPA in line at the 7-11 when some thug bursts in and puts a gun to his face. Without proper tactics, his gun doesn't even enter the picture at this point. Even if he got himself into a position to draw, what about the child in his arms that he scooped up, or the door handle that he is desparately trying to get open?
Add callling 911 on your cell to the game or being punched in the face, or being rear ended to deploy your airbag before being car jacked and it will be realistic.
I've always thought it would be interesting to place a solid "practical shooter" (say, >= B class in USPSA) in an active shooter scenario against your run-of-the-mill cops (say, IUPD). I bet that a LOT of the cops would get hit first, simply because of the vastly superior skill level of the "gamer" who shoots every weekend and practices throughout the week. .
If this were really the case, then somebody needs to tell Bob Vogel, the current USPSA Production champion. As a full-time police officer in Ohio, he is developing bad, bad habits that will get him killed at work...
Honestly, there is no reason that those two dudes in body armor in LA a few years back couldn't have been taken down with shots to the face with the 9mm pistols the cops had.