Will you take the Covid Vaccine?

[nonobaddog]

Yes, they are classified as healthcare. The lady that does the billing for the office my wife works for is classified as healthcare, she works from home. She also takes every opportunity to tell people she is a healthcare worker. I drives my wife crazy.

So if this person fills out her resume or fills in a form they list their occupation as "healthcare"?
I see your point if you include all the non-healthcare workers in with the healthcare workers. But that is just wrong.

That is like the accountants at NASA saying they are aerospace workers - just not true.

 

[Ingomike]

Yes, already took it, as well as, our close relatives. The inoculation has allowed us to pick up our grandchildren, help them do their homework and watch them until their parents pick them up after work. It not only allows the parents to save money, it allows us grandparents to bond and instill values. I'm old enough to remember polio. When in the military, I was inoculated with every vaccine known to man, especially before shipping overseas. I'm sure that in those olden days, there wasn't nearly the science available to test vaccines.

Allow me to rewrite the point of your post. "I kissed the Kings ring and now the king allows me to do things."

This ain't your daddy's Oldsmobile...

 

[nonobaddog]

Look at table 1 in the study.

Survey: U.S. Healthcare Workers: <br/>COVID-19 Vaccine Uptake & Attitudes — Surgo Ventures

An Analysis of COVID-19 Vaccination Intention and Concerns

surgoventures.org

You'll see "Health care workers recruited for the study" is broken down into three categories, one being "Administrative staff, custodial staff, dining staff."

In general, and specifically to what we're talking about here (a study on vax acceptance by healthcare workers), yes, those people are classified as healthcare workers.


EDIT: Table 3 is more clear about all the different jobs: Don't forget the lady running the cash register at the gift shop!

I believe this is done because they are in close proximity to healthcare which affects their exposure to viruses - not because they do healthcare. You have to consider the context.

 

[JettaKnight]

So if this person fills out her resume or fills in a form they list their occupation as "healthcare"?
I see your point if you include all the non-healthcare workers in with the healthcare workers. But that is just wrong.

That is like the accountants at NASA saying they are aerospace workers - just not true.

It's your "industry" versus your "occupation".

You can work in the automotive industry, yet be incapable of adding oil to a car.


Think about the defense industry - there's a whole lot people that are only defending their cube from errant paper clips in the office.

 

[Jaybird1980]

So if this person fills out her resume or fills in a form they list their occupation as "healthcare"?
I see your point if you include all the non-healthcare workers in with the healthcare workers. But that is just wrong.

That is like the accountants at NASA saying they are aerospace workers - just not true.

She wouldn't have that job if the healthcare system didn't exist. So I guess that means she's a healthcare worker. Same with the cafeteria workers and janitors. They work for a healthcare facility. Doesn't mean they know about healthcare.

That is the point mbills was making, just because they are healthcare workers doesn't mean they have any insight, although some like to think they do.

 

[actaeon277]

It's your "industry" versus your "occupation".

You can work in the automotive industry, yet be incapable of adding oil to a car.


Think about the defense industry - there's a whole lot people that are only defending their cube from errant paper clips in the office.

Well, that would be like, "I'm a steelworker", yet I don't actually make the steel.
I merely fix the control systems.

 

[Jaybird1980]

Allow me to rewrite the point of your post. "I kissed the Kings ring and now the king allows me to do things."

This ain't your daddy's Oldsmobile...

Do you only make decisions because of what the King says, or are you capable of forming an opinion from other sources?

 

[nonobaddog]

She wouldn't have that job if the healthcare system didn't exist. So I guess that means she's a healthcare worker. Same with the cafeteria workers and janitors. They work for a healthcare facility. Doesn't mean they know about healthcare.

That is the point mbills was making, just because they are healthcare workers doesn't mean they have any insight, although some like to think they do.

These non-healthcare jobs are portable and can work across a broad spectrum of industries. I don't call those healthcare jobs. YMMV.

The main reason they don't know about healthcare is because they don't do healthcare - they have their own field which is non-healthcare.

 

[Jaybird1980]

These non-healthcare jobs are portable and can work across a broad spectrum of industries. I don't call those healthcare jobs. YMMV.

The main reason they don't know about healthcare is because they don't do healthcare - they have their own field which is non-healthcare.

I never said their skills couldn't be used in other industry, just saying they work for the healthcare system. The healthcare system would look different if these people didn't do this work so therefore they are healthcare workers.

The same way the parts dept worker at the service center doesn't know how to change your brakes. They still work in the auto repair service.

 

[nonobaddog]

We just disagree on the definition of healthcare worker.
This adds clarity for me when you use the term healthcare worker. Now I know you mean anybody that works for a healthcare facility regardless of actual job function.

 

[JettaKnight]

We just disagree on the definition of healthcare worker.
This adds clarity for me when you use the term healthcare worker. Now I know you mean anybody that works for a healthcare facility regardless of actual job function.

That's just the way it is.

 

[Jaybird1980]

We just disagree on the definition of healthcare worker.
This adds clarity for me when you use the term healthcare worker. Now I know you mean anybody that works for a healthcare facility regardless of actual job function.

It's not just when I use the term, it's how the term is applied.

I never said I agree with it, it's just how it works. I work for a healthcare facility is a more accurate description, but that's not how it works.

My wife works in the room during a surgery, does she do the surgery, no. She runs a machine that is used during the surgery. Is she part of the surgery team or not? Is she a healthcare worker?

 

[SheepDog4Life]

Man, I’m just ****ing with you. It just tickled my funny bone that you, a healthcare worker (you’re a pharmacist, right?) arguing about the science, said that healthcare workers don’t really know the science. That’s all.

So, this same "appeal to authority" from the anti's came up in December/January... that a large chunk of LTC/nursing home workers were refusing the vaccine... "see doctors and nurses say it's not safe" was the implication if not the actual posts.

Just like this time, nothing but heavy troll responses when pointing out that degreed doctors and nurses are the vast minority of workers at even a LTC facility... kitchen staff, house cleaning, facility maintenance, bus drivers, CNA's, activities coordinators, marketing, billing, AP/AR payroll, administrators and receptionists.

All good people, but definitely NOT doctors or nurses or medical authorities of any type.

But yeah, troll on guys (not you Jamil, but the usual suspects who shout down every single covid related thread).

 

[OneBadV8]

Remember when we could have civil discussions and not get pissy with each other?
Disagree but yet be respectful... yeah, let’s do that stuff again.

calling a timeout for a bit


and for future reference... if you decided to "discuss" a topic, keep it a discussion. Getting fired up? walk away. Can't walk away? You'll be escorted away.

 

[Hawkeye]

This is absolutely f*****g ridiculous! Are you really saying there can be no long term side effects?

Hmmm. Are you saying that there are no long term side effects of contracting COVID?

 

[OneBadV8]

Remember, keep this a civil discussion. I will issue thread/temp bans next to those who can’t do so.

 

[nonobaddog]

Hmmm. Are you saying that there are no long term side effects of contracting COVID?

What does long term mean?
In my opinion long term has not happened yet for either the virus or the vaccine, which makes both of these unknowns.

One difference is you voluntarily submit to the vaccine along with any potential long term effects while most people try to avoid the virus and any potential long term effects.
So as more people get vaccinated than there are people that get the virus - those potential long term effects could be more widespread.

Nobody knows yet.

 

[Jaybird1980]

What does long term mean?
In my opinion long term has not happened yet for either the virus or the vaccine, which makes both of these unknowns.

One difference is you voluntarily submit to the vaccine along with any potential long term effects while most people try to avoid the virus and any potential long term effects.
So as more people get vaccinated than there are people that get the virus - those potential long term effects could be more widespread.

Nobody knows yet.

I would say long-term is 3+ months.
There are a number of people who have issues long after beating the initial infection. Even some on this forum.

I don't know if there is an official long-term definition

 

[JettaKnight]

What does long term mean?
In my opinion long term has not happened yet for either the virus or the vaccine, which makes both of these unknowns.

One difference is you voluntarily submit to the vaccine along with any potential long term effects while most people try to avoid the virus and any potential long term effects.
So as more people get vaccinated than there are people that get the virus - those potential long term effects could be more widespread.

Nobody knows yet.

So, I guess the question for any holdouts is, "how long is long enough?" At what point can you say that you're confident enough that there's not any serious LT side effects from the vax? AFAIK, J&J and the others are seeking proper, non-emergency use, so at that point it can't be said any longer that it was rushed.

It's perfectly acceptable to honestly say, "never" to the question if that's how you feel.

 

[OneBadV8]

So, I guess the question for any holdouts is, "how long is long enough?" At what point can you say that you're confident enough that there's not any serious LT side effects from the vax? AFAIK, J&J and the others are seeking proper, non-emergency use, so at that point it can't be said any longer that it was rushed.

It's perfectly acceptable to honestly say, "never" to the question if that's how you feel.

for me personally, I won't get any of them until the emergency use stuff is out of the way. I'm just not comfortable with the whole zero liability thing.