Will all the real Colts fans please stand up!?!

[BloodEclipse]

Oh, I forgot to mention my comment about yesterday's loss.

It's just Caldwell's attempt to eliminate the distractions that always come with the "Will they have an undefeated season?" chatter. Now the players don't have to worry about that issue.

That is a sound strategy.

 

[Indy317]

What? A property owner who shelled out the cash to buy a hunk of prime real estate and pave it, can't charge whatever people will pay him???

Not when they are getting tax breaks, or in some cases (as with the Simon HQ) flat out given taxpayer owned property. When one gets in bed with government, then I believe government needs to come in and make sure things are equal. I still don't know if Circle Centre is making money or not, but I know that some of the stores get tax breaks, and when the mall started, Nordstroms actually got a check from the government if they didn't make a certain profit. All the politicians could do was brag about how parking would be $1 for three hours. Of course that sold the majority of those folks who go to downtown for certain events: Band, Colts games, Pacer games, etc.. What a surprise when those same folks who were screaming "YES!" at $1 parking got when they discovered that they would only get $1 three hour parking if they spent $20 or more at a Circle Centre Mall merchant.

Parking is such big business, and very profitable for various entities and individuals, look at what has happened in Chicago, and almost happened in Indy. It is a fact that Indy is basically controlled by a select, elite few. It was all good and well when Indy was flush with decent paying factory jobs, and lots of the citizens could easily pull in $60K-$100K depending on over-time and other factors. That isn't the case anymore. Lilly had reduced jobs substantially. The downtown core has had high vacancy rates for a while, especially after the mini-towers that were built up around the Fashion Mall and Hamilton County.

It is rediculously expensive to park for events (whether you are downtown for the event or not), but just as it's their right to charge what they want, it's our right to park 10 or 15 blocks away and walk our happy asses to the venue? If you want to get pissed at something, then get pissed at the city or county (?) that bags all the parking meters in a 5 block radius of the venue for the whole weekend of an event. Remember, street parking after 1800, on holidays and weekends is free (unless the buttholes bag the meters)>>>

I get pissed when "private" companies use politics to get special treatment that isn't then passed on to others. I love $1.50 parking for three hours, but they sold that as something that would be constant, then came the greed so during "special events" people get bent over...the same people that are paying their full share of taxes, unlike most of these companies. So you want to complain about bagging meters, why? If it is OK for government to steal from others and give to private companies and let them charge whatever price, it is just as acceptable for government to bag meters to force the people to park at the $15 a day garage. Hopefully this parking deal is forced through and meter parking skyrockets. Then maybe all those small time connected folks downtown get to see what happens when you get in bed with government. Those small business owners have no problem with public-private partnerships when it costs them very little and they get big rewards. Maybe if parking at meters doubles or triples, and enforcement is increase 100% (likely more), they will get a taste of their own medicine when their customers stop going downtown.

 

[Ogre]

Not when ......

their customers stop going downtown.

I might think differently if I new for certain they were given the property, but short of that certainty, I still think they're a private entity and can do what they want. If everyone voted with their wallet and parked for free farther away, they wouldn't be able to charge that much. Supply and Demand

 

[IndyMonkey]

I might think differently if I new for certain they were given the property, but short of that certainty, I still think they're a private entity and can do what they want. If everyone voted with their wallet and parked for free farther away, they wouldn't be able to charge that much. Supply and Demand

Its the same as people not understanding/caring that the tax payers pay for the colts to be here.

I know 100% that the tax payers pay for the privilege of the team being here. I pay everyday when I eat lunch to subsidize the colts. We are still paying for the last stadium, that we just tore down.

There isnt a private company around that can build a stadium on that magnitude and it be vacant the majority of the time. It loses money, but since we, the tax payers are on the hook to cover the loss no one cares.

I absolutely refuse to have anything to do colts or the stadiums, If you guys would have to pay the real/unsubsidized ticket prices you wouldn't be fans of the colts either.

 

[Ogre]

I am a Colts fan (although they are testing my patience right now), but those who live, dine, or choose to stay in hotels in Marion or the donut counties, have no choice.

Its the same as people not understanding/caring that the tax payers pay for the colts to be here.

I know 100% that the tax payers pay for the privilege of the team being here. I pay everyday when I eat lunch to subsidize the colts. We are still paying for the last stadium, that we just tore down.

There isnt a private company around that can build a stadium on that magnitude and it be vacant the majority of the time. It loses money, but since we, the tax payers are on the hook to cover the loss no one cares.

I absolutely refuse to have anything to do colts or the stadiums, If you guys would have to pay the real/unsubsidized ticket prices you wouldn't be fans of the colts either.

See above. I don't like my tax money going to it either, but I still "root" for them.

 

[Mr. Habib]

Its the same as people not understanding/caring that the tax payers pay for the colts to be here.

I know 100% that the tax payers pay for the privilege of the team being here. I pay everyday when I eat lunch to subsidize the colts. We are still paying for the last stadium, that we just tore down.

There isnt a private company around that can build a stadium on that magnitude and it be vacant the majority of the time. It loses money, but since we, the tax payers are on the hook to cover the loss no one cares.

I absolutely refuse to have anything to do colts or the stadiums, If you guys would have to pay the real/unsubsidized ticket prices you wouldn't be fans of the colts either.[/quote
I'd rep you if I could.

 

[Jack Ryan]

If you dont like the COLTS then dont support them. Period. I have never seen so many men be so whiny about sports. I like the fact that we have Pro sports in our State. Everytime you grocery shop you are making someones wallets fat. So you are gonna pick and choose whose wallet you make fat? Go right ahead and so will I . I will continue to support the Colts. So when the Superbowl comes here will you be whining still?? Nothing wrong with our city growing. When you hire a contractor to build your new house you put money in his pocket. Seems double standard to me. Like I said I love the Colts football. I am very glad they are here. I dont care about Irsay and his money. All team owners have money. GO COLTS

WE don't have a team. This is republican style socialism. They guys at the TOP have a team and a business, the players and the owners. WE have the bills and pay the taxes that subsidise the team like good little commie red socialists.

If I have any part of that team I want to sell out, give away, get rid of the losing investment and obligation because I never see a dime of return. Any of you REAL fans just start off any where you want. Do I hear one red cent?

 

[Indy317]

I might think differently if I new for certain they were given the property, but short of that certainty, I still think they're a private entity and can do what they want. If everyone voted with their wallet and parked for free farther away, they wouldn't be able to charge that much. Supply and Demand

Simon was given the property for their new HQ. They said they would move to Carmel, so their slave "leaders" bowed down and gave them whatever they wanted. There were idle threats of the Pacers leaving, again, the "leaders" of the city ran around like chickens with their heads cut-off and gave these billionaires even more money.

Here are some links which basically prove that many of these building/buisness operations don't really work. This is just another example of "Me, myself, and I" socialism. People have no problem with being taxed, and others being taxed, so long as they derive some personal benefit. This attitude is why it gets harder and harder to care about this country. Everyone is so in it for themselves, no one cares about anyone but them and theirs.

Circle Centre vies to keep anchor stores Nordstrom, Carson's | Indianapolis Business Journal | IBJ.com

GameWorks closes at Circle Centre | Indianapolis Business Journal | IBJ.com

The city owns the land under the 736,000-square-foot mall and paid more than half of the $319 million cost to build it. The city leases the property to Circle Centre Development Corp., a partnership of 20 companies that owns the mall itself. Simon's stake is 15 percent, according to SEC filings.

CIB could ask for $34 million in write-offs from Circle Centre investors to ease deficit - Indiana Economic Digest - Indiana

It was one thing when cities would float insider schemes that were under a million dollar here and there. We are now at the billion dollar level, and the greed is so bad, it has spread from big cities, to smaller suburban towns. Now Westfield wants to spend millions on some massive sports complex. I heard Ft. Wayne wants to do the same thing as well.

To me, if you are a private entity, but you are only around because of government, then government has a right to drive a portion of your business. One thing I would like to see is the Circle Centre mall parking garages have their $1.50 for three hours of parking made permanent.

 

[Ogre]

Ok so aside from your circle center mall parking hot button. What about all the other parking lots? Are you saying all of them got a subsidy to buy a hunk of asphalt for parking? I agree with you about the CIB.... but you made a point to single out parking lots, and I really don't think they have the juice with the govt. you think. I think they are just shrewd businessman who are taking advantage of the market. I can't say I blame them. I'd charge as much as people would be willing to pay me to park across the street from a venue.

 

[jsharmon7]

Indystar.com is saying that Bob Sanders tore his biceps muscle. It also referred to him as a "defensive star." Shouldn't he have to play more than a game or two here and there between injuries to be considered a "star?" Honestly I forget he's even on the team until they talk about him being injured.

 

[hornadylnl]

Ok so aside from your circle center mall parking hot button. What about all the other parking lots? Are you saying all of them got a subsidy to buy a hunk of asphalt for parking? I agree with you about the CIB.... but you made a point to single out parking lots, and I really don't think they have the juice with the govt. you think. I think they are just shrewd businessman who are taking advantage of the market. I can't say I blame them. I'd charge as much as people would be willing to pay me to park across the street from a venue.

Don't forget that the government used their guns to force Hurst and others to "sell" their land for parking.

Doesn't it alarm you that Indy government trashed the rights of a few legitimate downtown businesses so they could give corporate welfare to the Simons and Irsay?

 

[jd4320t]

Go Colts!

 

[Benny]

Go Colts!

Get back on topic you troll!

This is a political thread.



(/purple)

 

[jd4320t]

Get back on topic you troll!

This is a political thread.



(/purple)

It sure seems to be.

GO COLTS!

 

[Jack Ryan]

Get back on topic you troll!

This is a political thread.



(/purple)

How could it not be political when they wouldn't be here if not for politics and government hand outs, bail outs, pandering, and extortion.

 

[Knife Lady]

There is a political section and guess what IT IS NOT HERE.

GO COLTS

 

[Ogre]

Don't forget that the government used their guns to force Hurst and others to "sell" their land for parking.

Doesn't it alarm you that Indy government trashed the rights of a few legitimate downtown businesses so they could give corporate welfare to the Simons and Irsay?

I think its BS that they pushed around private owners for the stadium complex. However, they could have fought it. FYI, NK Hurst did fight it and won. They are still there smack dab in the middle of the action.
So this begs the question, Indy317, would you have a problem with NK Hurst (a private business) to charge $20, $30, $50 dollars... for parking on THEIR property???? I think we both know the answer to that.

 

[rcjack86]

Even though they lost, I still followed through with my plan of buying season tickets by paying a deposit to put my name on the list. Thats 150 per seat just to get on the list.

 

[Indy317]

Even though they lost, I still followed through with my plan of buying season tickets by paying a deposit to put my name on the list. Thats 150 per seat just to get on the list.

Just to watch grown men running around in tights playing a kid game live? Wow! No wonder the players want more.

 

[Benny]

How could it not be political when they wouldn't be here if not for politics and government hand outs, bail outs, pandering, and extortion.

Because the OP specifically stated that none of that matters in this thread.

So either all Colts threads should be moved to the Political Forum or people should STFU about the politics in the Break Room.