Why Romney won't ban your guns

[ViperJock]

If a guy straps me in a chair and promises to physically assault me I am going to do everything to ensure that I am not the one that gets kicked in the balls.

Irrelevant. As YOU have said, you can't stop it.

 

[J_Wales]

Hey ViperJack,

When is the last time you read the Mayflower Compact, the Declaration of Independence, and the Constitution of the United States?

 

[J_Wales]

Irrelevant. As YOU have said, you can't stop it.

Exactly where did I say I could not stop it?

 

[mydoghasfleas]

Clearly you didn't actually read the OP.

For one thing Romney care was the first of its kind. He didn't know how it would turn out. Then Obama came along and decided to take a failed system and implement it even more widely! Despite the Fact that at that point Romney was telling people it didn't work and wouldn't be the solution for our country.

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You do realize what he said many times is "I would not implement obamacare as written" What do you think that means?

 

[ViperJock]

Meh...

If the ship is sinking (and it is) why prolong the inevitable?
Choose a captain that will cause her to sink faster so we can move on to the state where we survive in the cold sea while we swim to shore.

There is no saving the ship anymore. There is far too much water in her now.

-Jedi

Why do you think there will be another captain? Why do you think you won't just drown with everyone else? Or maybe you think you are so well prepped a little extra time wouldn't benefit you. OR your friends. or your family. Or maybe you have delusions of grandeur and really think you'll all just be fine because you prepped a bit. Fog of War my friend. Fog of War.

The plan I see so many people adopting is just to give up. They all talk about being warriors and fighters and all this stuff but basically they are just giving up. I'm still fighting. Thats why I'm trying to garner support for a guy I don't even really like, because I see a small victory in ousting Obama. A small victory which could be a tactical draw but a large strategic victory.

I have the ability to see beyond my narrow beliefs and recognize that a battle is different than a fight, a campaign is different from a battle, and a war is different than a campaign. I want to win the war even if it means taking a tactical loss. We get Romney instead of Paul. At least it isn't Obama. We can work with Romney. Obama won't listen.

We can let Obama pound us into submission or we can take the lesser (possible-cause you don't know for sure that Romney won't come through for us) pounding and survive to fight another election.

 

[J_Wales]

To your credit, ViperJack, you are a good loyalist.

Those I admire, such as Jefferson, Franklin, S. Adams, Washington and several others were anything but. Their allegiance resided much closer to Providence and Liberty.

 

[ViperJock]

Hey ViperJack,

When is the last time you read the Mayflower Compact, the Declaration of Independence, and the Constitution of the United States?

LMFAO. Recently actually. I just finished the "Federalist" papers, Aristotle's "A treatise on Government" and Plato's "Republic." I can't say for sure, BUT I would be willing to wager that I have at least as good a working knowledge of any of that stuff as you do. If you wan't to get an idea of how little a clue people have about what the FF actually thought or intended or how much they fought with and hated each other taking opposite sides of arguments most people don't even understand, then get into Madison, Monroe, Jefferson, Jackson, Adams. People read what they say, but they don't understand what it meant. And they did not agree on what the republic should be either. So please, refer me to be schooled on exactly what it means, lol.

You guys can keep this thread going but I'm done answering. I can only hit my head on the wall so many times before it starts to bleed. Clearly I am not going to change your mind. You know the future and what Romney will do and I only know the past and what Obama has done. You can read minds and know that Romney hasn't learned anything, I can only go by experience that some people change their minds once they become educated. I lack the super powers to continue this argument.

 

[Wreaver]

I'll give you Romney being to busy to attack the 2nd in his first term. Am I supposed to vote Democrat to stave off his second so he can't get me then? We can just keep kicking it down the road and we'll be safe.

 

[ray d]

Romney is anti gun, Obama is anti gun .Romney is for endless wars just like Obama.Both love the federal reserve and banker bail-outs.Its Ron Paul or who cares.

 

[ViperJock]

To your credit, ViperJack, you are a good loyalist.

Those I admire, such as Jefferson, Franklin, S. Adams, Washington and several others were anything but. Their allegiance resided much closer to Providence and Liberty.

That good sir, is a slight and a slander. I am fighting the fight that is available to me. You choose not to fight at all. Andrew Jackson would have had you hung. I am fighting for both liberty and providence in this election. You make accusations based only on your own imaginations and leave any sense or logic from the argument.

 

[ViperJock]

Romney is anti gun, Obama is anti gun .Romney is for endless wars just like Obama.Both love the federal reserve and banker bail-outs.Its Ron Paul or who cares.

It won't be Ron Paul. So I guess it is who cares. I'm sure all the people on their moral high horses right now will feel justified telling their Grandchildren that they just gave up.

 

[J_Wales]

LMFAO. Recently actually. I just finished the "Federalist" papers, Aristotle's "A treatise on Government" and Plato's "Republic." I can't say for sure, BUT I would be willing to wager that I have at least as good a working knowledge of any of that stuff as you do. If you wan't to get an idea of how little a clue people have about what the FF actually thought or intended or how much they fought with and hated each other taking opposite sides of arguments most people don't even understand, then get into Madison, Monroe, Jefferson, Jackson, Adams. People read what they say, but they don't understand what it meant. And they did not agree on what the republic should be either. So please, refer me to be schooled on exactly what it means, lol.

You guys can keep this thread going but I'm done answering. I can only hit my head on the wall so many times before it starts to bleed. Clearly I am not going to change your mind. You know the future and what Romney will do and I only know the past and what Obama has done. You can read minds and know that Romney hasn't learned anything, I can only go by experience that some people change their minds once they become educated. I lack the super powers to continue this argument.

You are correct that the Founding Fathers disagreed on much.

I also agree that you can only pound your head so many times before damage occurs. It is another point which you well illustrate.

 

[mydoghasfleas]

LMFAO. Recently actually. I just finished the "Federalist" papers, Aristotle's "A treatise on Government" and Plato's "Republic." I can't say for sure, BUT I would be willing to wager that I have at least as good a working knowledge of any of that stuff as you do. If you wan't to get an idea of how little a clue people have about what the FF actually thought or intended or how much they fought with and hated each other taking opposite sides of arguments most people don't even understand, then get into Madison, Monroe, Jefferson, Jackson, Adams. People read what they say, but they don't understand what it meant. And they did not agree on what the republic should be either. So please, refer me to be schooled on exactly what it means, lol.

You guys can keep this thread going but I'm done answering. I can only hit my head on the wall so many times before it starts to bleed. Clearly I am not going to change your mind. You know the future and what Romney will do and I only know the past and what Obama has done. You can read minds and know that Romney hasn't learned anything, I can only go by experience that some people change their minds once they become educated. I lack the super powers to continue this argument.

The Federalist papers are Hamiltonian. That guy was Jeffersons nemesis. He was for appointing a King if that tells you anything about him. And a central bank, National credit (by way of national debt)

You need to read the anti-federalist papers buy Patric Henry to get the real picture of liberty. He had foresight into what would happen with its ratification and was against it. Saw it as a threat to liberty and ended up being right didnt he.

 

[ray d]

I will NEVER give up but I wont give in by voteing for Romney.

 

[TopDog]

It would be great to have a goverment that didnt deliberatley fan the fire of race and class wars. But that isn't going to happen even if we had a president with an even hand.

It would be great to have someone to vote for without throwing my vote away. But the stinking system we have is designed to keep a two party system that they can control. So back to voting for the lesser of two evils...

 

[Oliver]

I never will understand the voting for the "lesser of two evils" bs; guess I'm too concerned with voting for the person I believe in the most. Odd concept to some I realize.

 

[rambone]

Romney is NOT going to ban your weapons. At least not in his first term.

This statement did not instill confidence in me.

1. Ron Paul can't win. And even if he did, the powers that be would never let him do most of the stuff he wants to do anyway.

The Powers That Be want you to vote for their man Mitt.

3. Obama will sell out our military even more than he already has

Romney wants to expand the insanely-huge military and is eager to start more wars. He's much worse than Obama on that issue.

6. Romney may actually know something about economics

Does he actually know something about Capitalism? He's for bailouts and wants to raise the Federal Minimum Wage at the rate of inflation. Romney is a corporate whore.

10.It pretty much impossible to be worse than Obama has been.

History has shown that to be far from factual.

Consider for a second that Romney thought Romneycare would be a good idea. It turned out not to be. He now realizes that and wouldn't do it again.

He has never said such a thing. He stands by his signature socialist plan.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkS3npP6UO0

Consider for a second that the current geopolitical situation has made Romney realize that perhaps the second ammendment was made for something other than shooting clays.

Just like his health care bill, he has never backed down or apologized for signing the Massachusetts Assault Weapons Ban.

As recently as 2008, he said on television that he would sign the Clinton Assault Weapon Ban if it reached his desk. The 2nd Amendment is absolutely irrelevant to him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgZ6AuHnmk0

 

[hornadylnl]

Clearly you didn't actually read the OP.

For one thing Romney care was the first of its kind. He didn't know how it would turn out. Then Obama came along and decided to take a failed system and implement it even more widely! Despite the Fact that at that point Romney was telling people it didn't work and wouldn't be the solution for our country.

Forget it just vote for Obama. I give up. You'll get what you deserve. **** it, I'm gonna vote for Obama too--just so you get what you deserve.

This is why he's wholey unfit to lead. Was there ever a sucessful government social program prior to his Romney care program?

 

[hornadylnl]

I'll give you Romney being to busy to attack the 2nd in his first term. Am I supposed to vote Democrat to stave off his second so he can't get me then? We can just keep kicking it down the road and we'll be safe.

No, you can be assured that the Repubs will be telling us that we have to give Romney a second term.

 

[churchmouse]

You are correct that the Founding Fathers disagreed on much.

I also agree that you can only pound your head so many times before damage occurs. It is another point which you well illustrate.

I have known many that use there heads for door stops. That is the only real Use they had in this life. Not pointed at any one particular person, just saying.

Our military is not insanely huge. It is really not big enough. It rely's mainly on reserves. Obama is not a war monger. I have to go back and read again where that came from. Mitt does not come off as a warrior either.
In these insane times it just strikes me odd that we would down size the standing army. Just makes no sense.