-
Be sure to read this post! Beware of scammers. https://www.indianagunowners.com/threads/classifieds-new-online-payment-guidelines-rules-paypal-venmo-zelle-etc.511734/
Video of snow shoveling killings. Very messy business
- Thread starter nra4ever
- Start date
The #1 community for Gun Owners in Indiana
Member Benefits:
Fewer Ads! Discuss all aspects of firearm ownership Discuss anti-gun legislation Buy, sell, and trade in the classified section Chat with Local gun shops, ranges, trainers & other businesses Discover free outdoor shooting areas View up to date on firearm-related events Share photos & video with other members ...and so much more!
Member Benefits:
SheepDog4Life
Natural Gray Man
I could definitely be wrong, but she does go to her coat pocket, she does appear to be pointing, on the first report there appears to be a puff of smoke in front of her hand, the husband turns towards her, not the neighbor, she raises her right hand and appears to fire 3 more in the air... it's only on shot #7 that the couple reacts like someone is shooting at them.
It's crazy enough, that a snow argument escalated to a shootout.
It completely blows my mind the guy goes inside gets his rifle and then comes back to execute them. I just can't wrap my head around that.
It completely blows my mind the guy goes inside gets his rifle and then comes back to execute them. I just can't wrap my head around that.
In the timestamp at 09:31:25 you can see that it appears she's holding up a finger and no gun.
So id say that all shots came from one shooter here. Also since the slide locks and I counted 12 shots, it potentially shows all shots were from the same gun, imo.
And to add - yes the comments were terrible in that link. This shouldn't have escalated to the end result it did. But it does seem that he clearly had a breaking point were sanity had left the building so to speak.
So id say that all shots came from one shooter here. Also since the slide locks and I counted 12 shots, it potentially shows all shots were from the same gun, imo.
And to add - yes the comments were terrible in that link. This shouldn't have escalated to the end result it did. But it does seem that he clearly had a breaking point were sanity had left the building so to speak.
Attachments
Last edited:
At about 9:30 in the video she can be heard saying (after shooting has commenced btw) "...'ve got video..." then she is hit. So IMO she was trying to video him to use against him. I would presume she thought he was just threatening without really going through with anything.
As a personal note, depending upon the history of provocation by the couple, were I on a jury I may acquit for temporary insanity. This could have been the last event that pushed the shooter over the edge. He is trying to clear his driveway of snow, and here they come throwing their snow on his yard. While snow is in and of itself harmless it is that act that shows a total and complete disregard of his private property and of any respect for him as a person. One can only suffer so much degradation before either becoming completely broken or completely unhinged.
The dynamics of these peoples history should be studied carefully to better understand how several people, living in what is apparently a nice neighborhood, with large well kept homes (from the few videos and pictures I have seen.) What is it that makes people snap is unique to each individual, but I believe that there are underlying psychological trends that we all follow.
I cannot help but think of an appearance of Jordan Peterson on Bill Maher's show. Peterson, a trained psychologist, mentions that the way to make people resilient is to expose them to something they fear. You do this in a controlled way of course with the persons permission, but keeping "scary thoughts or symbols" from people doesn't make them strong. My thought is that the shooter appears young. Was he exposed to stressful situations or mean people that toughened him up, thus building his resilience to mean neighbors, or was he kept in safe spaces that gave him less resilience before he finally snapped?
Regards,
Doug
As a personal note, depending upon the history of provocation by the couple, were I on a jury I may acquit for temporary insanity. This could have been the last event that pushed the shooter over the edge. He is trying to clear his driveway of snow, and here they come throwing their snow on his yard. While snow is in and of itself harmless it is that act that shows a total and complete disregard of his private property and of any respect for him as a person. One can only suffer so much degradation before either becoming completely broken or completely unhinged.
The dynamics of these peoples history should be studied carefully to better understand how several people, living in what is apparently a nice neighborhood, with large well kept homes (from the few videos and pictures I have seen.) What is it that makes people snap is unique to each individual, but I believe that there are underlying psychological trends that we all follow.
I cannot help but think of an appearance of Jordan Peterson on Bill Maher's show. Peterson, a trained psychologist, mentions that the way to make people resilient is to expose them to something they fear. You do this in a controlled way of course with the persons permission, but keeping "scary thoughts or symbols" from people doesn't make them strong. My thought is that the shooter appears young. Was he exposed to stressful situations or mean people that toughened him up, thus building his resilience to mean neighbors, or was he kept in safe spaces that gave him less resilience before he finally snapped?
Regards,
Doug
SheepDog4Life
Natural Gray Man
Doug,
Video... that could very well be it... and would fit with the cray of all involved... I've got him on video, he's in for it now!
Shakes head... people that detached from reality...
ETA: I do believe you are right... while he's shooting she's saying, "Go ahead <bang> I've <bang> video." Wow! Just, wow!
Video... that could very well be it... and would fit with the cray of all involved... I've got him on video, he's in for it now!
Shakes head... people that detached from reality...
ETA: I do believe you are right... while he's shooting she's saying, "Go ahead <bang> I've <bang> video." Wow! Just, wow!
Last edited:
OK I need to look at it again.
And here spouse abandons her to die in the street. That shows who and what he is or is not in that action.
Hatin Since 87
Bacon Hater
Not to disagree with carrying spare mags, but I’m willing to bet if I’m shooting a mag full of ammo at a target with no obstructions, and they are standing still like a silhouette target, I’m not going to need that spare mag.
But I still carry spares. Actually too many sometimes. I always have a spare on my person, as well as an extra in the car, and at work I have an extra in my toolbox. At home... well... don’t **** with me at home
Jaybird1980
Grandmaster
No doubt to me what kind of man he was. The same kind of guy that constantly taunts a neighbor. He didn't deserve what happened, but neither did the other guy.
I disagree with Doug, no way the shooter or someone that snaps because of an Ahole taunting him should be free (I understand he shot himself). Truth is the world is a sucky place and people are going to disrespect you
Our culture believes the cell phone camera gives them power over other people as well as guarantees their own safety.
Only works when the other person is playing by the same rules. When you're waving a phone at somebody who is about to splatter your brains on the street and then kill themselves, it might as well be a block of wood. The video doesn't matter when you're dead.
We need common sense snow shovel reformNot sure if this has been posted yet. Lots of shots fired few hits on first go around with what seems like a small caliber weapon.
Neighbors shot dead after argument over snow - FULL Video!
A fight that erupted over snow shoveling allegedly led to a Pennsylvania man shooting two of his neighbors to death. During the argument, one man went into his house and got a gun and shot the neighbors, went back into the house and then returned and finished them off The fatal gun violence...leakedreality.com
He has nothing left to lose at that point.
He already shoot them and was on video. If he stopped there and did not kill himself he would be facing a long jail sentence or even death penalty.
So why stop at that point? He was probably thinking I might as well endure I kill them both as I'm a dead man now.
He was "crazy" when he was shooting them with the sidearm. The insanity plea maybe. But going back inside to get the long gun and finishing them off that was logical thinking at that point.
At no point did the couple deserved what happened to them, based on that video. It's a good reminder why escalating a confrontation is often unwise. You simply do not know where that other person's stopping point is. And you might not want to find out.
That is how a jury would look at it. Once you break contact you will most likely be thought to no longer be in the heat of the moment if you return to finish it. It is a disturbing film. Lot of irrational action. Insanity is never far enough away.
people think they can push and push with no repercussions you never can tell what’s going on in someone else’s head . I have seen it in road rage while I was driving people get on a roll and don’t know when to let it go and they both ended up with smashed cars. a lot of times it all starts over something stupid !
Presuming he were to live, would a lawyers most likely best defense be "temporary insanity" or "diminished capacity" due to extreme emotional distress.
My friends and I watched this and I believe temporary insanity - he'd had enough and finally broke.
They argue - extreme rage contributed to diminished capacity.
What say you?
Regards,
Doug
My friends and I watched this and I believe temporary insanity - he'd had enough and finally broke.
They argue - extreme rage contributed to diminished capacity.
What say you?
Regards,
Doug
Site Supporter
Members online
- dieselrealtor
- Knight Rider
- Dog1
- ditcherman
- maxipum
- Zjhagens
- BeDome
- L C H
- acd1010
- Leadeye
- DThurston
- fireball168
- Bugzilla
- Fire Lord
- keeph8n
- Shadow01
- DoggyDaddy
- Doug28450
- wildcatfan
- BigBoxaJunk
- chadm
- markiemark
- 6mm
- crewchief888
- Zeb
- medavis428@
- carsgunsandgirls
- Brandon
- littletommy
- Jowl1
- Creedmoor
- lafrad
- KG1
- richardraw316
- Dss21
- hans1911
- STAGE 2
- glock addict
- edwea
- jwamplerusa
- loudgroove
- cgoodman21
- OneBadV8
- Demoderb1989
- DDadams
- Jin
- NHT3
- yngfam
- cobber
- fro65