You make the decision.......YOU and your children live with the consequences.
I think that's all anyone is really asking for at the end of the day.
You make the decision.......YOU and your children live with the consequences.
I think either one would improve his posts drastically.
Fortunately (or unfortunately), parents are allowed to screw up their children almost any way they want. I personally don't give a flying f*** if you get your kid immunized or not. BUT........don't come crying to me or anyone else if they get polio, measles, mumps or any other preventable disease and expect me or the government to pay for their treatment or disabilities when they go blind or are crippled or any other result of a disease that could have been prevented and you CHOSE not to have immunizations. You make the decision.......YOU and your children live with the consequences.
Just a little friendly ribbing.
I suggest you leave the colors and font sizes alone. Focus on learning to use the 'quote' button underneath a person's post to respond to them.
I would never expect somebody else to pay for mine or my children's medical costs. All I'm asking is, stop calling me a bad parent, or threatening to "remove me from society" because I made a decision, after tons of research, to exercise my freedom to choose.
I would think, that if you "choose" to not get your children immunized, and they catch a disease that could have been prevented, and they DIE or go blind/deaf/are crippled, etc......... that you WOULD be a bad parent.
But, unfortunately, being a bad parent isn't against the law unless is crosses the line of child abuse. So quit whining about being called a "bad parent". As long as it's not illegal, you can be as bad as a parent as you want.
By the same token, wouldn't giving your child a vaccine with known instances of horrible side effects (ie the HPV vaccine causing Guillain-Barré syndrome) make you a "bad parent"?
I don't think it makes you a bad parent at all dad, just making emotional decisions. You're betting against a 1 in 100,000 chance in getting a disease that's highly curable, which is quite often caused by the disease it's trying to protect you against, for a 1 in 1,000 chance of your child dying of measles if they get it. 95% need to stay vaccinated, or it can punch holes in general safety. So if two kids in your class of 20 aren't vaccinated, it has the potential to screw it up for everyone.
Quick and cheap research to back me up
Guillain
Measles - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
For people who want to compare this to guns, cars, etc, we do everything we can to reduce chances of risk. Seatbelts, airbags, public opinion of people being stupid, drop safeties, training classes, and lastly, vaccinations. If you want to make your decision, go ahead. But keep it to yourself, and realize it's an emotional decision.
I don't think it makes you a bad parent at all dad, just making emotional decisions. You're betting against a 1 in 100,000 chance in getting a disease that's highly curable, which is quite often caused by the disease it's trying to protect you against, for a 1 in 1,000 chance of your child dying of measles if they get it. 95% need to stay vaccinated, or it can punch holes in general safety. So if two kids in your class of 20 aren't vaccinated, it has the potential to screw it up for everyone.
Quick and cheap research to back me up
Guillain
Measles - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
For people who want to compare this to guns, cars, etc, we do everything we can to reduce chances of risk. Seatbelts, airbags, public opinion of people being stupid, drop safeties, training classes, and lastly, vaccinations. If you want to make your decision, go ahead. But keep it to yourself, and realize it's an emotional decision.
I'm so glad you're on top of this. My brother was 52 when he developed Gullain-Barr and it wasn't from the measles. I can attest through personal knowledge that we both had the measles at the same time when I was 8 and he was 5. He DID have his mandatory flu shot ( he works for the Air Force) about a week before he started developing symptoms. He was told that 20 years prior to 2006, if he'd come down with it, he'd probably have died, so while it may be "highly curable" nowadays, it hasn't always been so.
And face it, most of us "oldsters" had the measles when we were young and very few died from it - about the 1 - 100,000 figure you're quoting. Why subject our children to the unknowns of vaccination side effects when the "knowns" of common childhood diseases are inconvenient but survivable. That's not "emotion", that's acting on observable data.
It's 1 in a 1,000 for measles. 1 in 100,000 is for the curable Gullain-Barr. Very few do die, it's a slim chance in civilized countries. As for the "young and know everything" crack, I'm young enough to do stupid things, but old enough to pay for it the next day. Most of my friends my age have kids, some as old as 7-8. I've seen this argument before, and made my own opinion. I will state this, everyone I know has eventually immunized their children. Every single one of them. So far there has been no side effects. No autism, no paralyzed children, no anything. So my sample size, while small, 20-30, has been clean.
We also couple this with the fact that I'm married to a kindergarten teacher. Her sample size, of 25-30 children a year over 7 years, has shown no children with a negative reaction to vaccinations. She has had only one child without immunizations. So out of 250 or so sample size, there has been no side affects. No problems. While she has had autistic children, and children with other learning disabilities, not one has had the correlation of shots=disease. The symptoms were visible before, or well after their first rounds of shots.
My area/generation got their shots. We all did. I come from an spot in the US where you didn't have a choice. We didn't see any of these diseases. I'm still getting calls of "how the hell did measles break out at the super bowl?" "how backward is it to not get something that keeps you from getting sick" and "why would people voluntarily put their kids at risk? Are they poor? Can we donate or something to get their kids shots?" so I guess I see this differently. But hey, to each their own. I'm fine with you doing what feels right. I just don't understand how you can get defensive after people who make decisions for the greater good don't want your children with theirs. Same as if I wouldn't want someone who drove down the middle of the road on the same streets as me. Your call, but there's going to be consequences.
And anyone who compares this to firearms is comparing apples to oranges. Less kids get hurt by firearms then bikes. You're twice as likely to kill yourself with a gun then to be shot by someone else. The numbers state it's just not happening. If guns had a 1 in 1,000 lethal rate, I could understand why people wouldn't live around people who had them. But they don't. People who want guns banned/locked away are making the exact same type of emotional decision. They feel it's bad, so the numbers that agree with their feelings are truth. Everything else is wrong.
""Boy, I miss the days when I knew everything.
With any luck, someday, you will too.""
Ahh, it's come to this.
Take that, statistics!
""Boy, I miss the days when I knew everything.
With any luck, someday, you will too.""
I like the quote though. Can I steal it?