Utah uses eminent domain on Fed land

[jeremy]

Life time insurance for themselves....

touche sir, touche!

 

[SavageEagle]

Read Article1, Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution.

"To exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever over such district (not exceeding ten miles square) as may, by cession of particular States and the acceptance of Congress, become the seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like authority over all places purchased by the consent of the legislature of the State in which the same shall be, for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, and other needful buildings;

Our National Park System is blatantly unconstitutional and always has been.

Good to hear from you again! You are right. The Federal Government has no right to Park lands. They never have and I never said they did. But no one can show me where STATES don't have the right to maintain park lands.

This has come up before, SE is for the programs HE wants, regardless of cost, or socialist agenda. Here is one from 4 months ago, LNL, you may remember trying to educate him then.

Ryan, does it ever hurt sitting on the fence?

You can try to smear me all you want. It still won't work. Oh, and guess what that home got turned into? A military type academy of sorts. Federally funded and run. Oh, yea, it's doing the same thing as before but for different kids not from Indiana, and run by your FEDERAL dollars now.

So how's it feel that instead of screwing you up front, you're now getting it in the rear? Bend over a little more so they have a clean shot.

SE I have 2 points to make right here...

1. How much do you know about Wild-land Management?! The amazing then is you probably no far more than the bureaucrats that are making the decisions about how to preserve the Wild-lands...

2. Name one program that the Feds have managed successfully?!

You're wrong on 1. Those who are managing those parks not only live out there, but also have college degrees in land management among other things. They know exactly what they're doing.

2. We're discussing it right now. Except I'm not talking about the FEDS! I'm talking about the STATES!

Let me make this a LITTLE more clear for you all.

I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE FEDS! I'M TALKING ABOUT THE STATES!

Let me repeat that.

I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE FEDS! I'M TALKING ABOUT THE STATES!
I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE FEDS! I'M TALKING ABOUT THE STATES!
I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE FEDS! I'M TALKING ABOUT THE STATES!

Show me where states are not allowed to maintain a park system. Show me where the states have failed to manage their parks. Show me private property owners who let just anyone come onto their land to camp, hike, fish, whatever. I've never met one person.

Look. If you want to trust one person to manage a park instead of the State, fine. That's your choice. Start lobbying to make it happen. Just know I will stand opposed the whole time. Now, when you want to lobby to pass the NATIONAL parks on to the STATES, then I will state side by side with you to do so.

 

[hornadylnl]

You just don't get it. Not everyone who owns land is so smart about their land. Some people would be more than happy to sell it and part it out the moment they fall on hard times. If the STATE has control of the parks, it's owned by EVERYONE to be enjoyed by EVERYONE. That might sound like socialism, but it's not. It's the state protecting protected land. I have no say in what you do with your own land. If you want to destroy it, I have to watch it happen. However, with the state run parks, I don't have to worry about you or anyone else selling the land and watch it be destroyed.

It's not socialism. It's protectionism. When it comes to the last wilderness this Country has, you bet your butt I'll fight for that. Anyone who would rather see our park system sold out to private people must not like to go to those parks and enjoy them.

You're right, Savage, I'm pretty f'in stupid.

https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...n/83991-the_more_i_think_about_socialism.html

Why do I go to work and pay my bills when I can sit on my butt all day and let others buy my groceries for me? Why do I go to work and pay taxes to pay for those who don't work? Why do I pay big money for my slice of nature when I can enjoy nature on somebody else's dime?

 

[jeremy]

You're wrong on 1. Those who are managing those parks not only live out there, but also have college degrees in land management among other things. They know exactly what they're doing.

2. We're discussing it right now. Except I'm not talking about the FEDS! I'm talking about the STATES!

Let me make this a LITTLE more clear for you all.

I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE FEDS! I'M TALKING ABOUT THE STATES!

Know the people who live out there are just middle managers. The ones who actually pull the strings live far away. As far as college degrees, wup te do, how many fry cooks at Mcduffs have degrees?! Just because someone has a piece of lamb skin does not make them good at what ever they do.

For number 2 sub State for Fed. Name one program that the State is running well?!

 

[E5RANGER375]

Why do I go to work and pay my bills when I can sit on my butt all day and let others buy my groceries for me? Why do I go to work and pay taxes to pay for those who don't work? Why do I pay big money for my slice of nature when I can enjoy nature on somebody else's dime?

how do i get signed up? RANGER reporting to be LAZY SIR!

 

[hornadylnl]

Show me private property owners who let just anyone come onto their land to camp, hike, fish, whatever. I've never met one person.

Buy your own land and you can camp, hike, fish, whatever on it all you want. That's what I did. I spent good money on my 27 acres because I don't think I'm entitled to do so on someone else's dime. I also won't participate in any state or federal conservation programs for subisidies for my land because I'm not entitled to your tax dollars to fund my wants and desires.

 

[E5RANGER375]

As far as college degrees, wup te do, how many fry cooks at Mcduffs have degrees?! Just because someone has a piece of lamb skin does not make them good at what ever they do.

yep, i have a masters and I cant spell worth a CRAP. mater of fact, my degree hasnt dont SH** for me in life. NOTHING!!! im sure if i worked in a civilian sector job, it might make me seem more legitimate. but i dont work well with civilians, they are almost always wrong

When i came home from the military after serving as a SGT and being in combat as a leader, and with a degree, i was told i had no experience by the civilian sector, and they told me i had to start from the VERY BOTTOM, the same as a kid outta high school would start from. I got tired of getting CRAPPED on by the civilian sector so i now work as a contractor. i must love getting shot at since i keep going back to it, lol.

my point is, DONT WASTE YOUR TIME WITH A DEGREE, its pointless! unless your ASSURED you are going into something that you can use it in.
now i could go be a Fed, right now, and theyd welcome me with open arms. NO THANK YOU!!!!

 

[SavageEagle]

You're right, Savage, I'm pretty f'in stupid.

https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...n/83991-the_more_i_think_about_socialism.html

Why do I go to work and pay my bills when I can sit on my butt all day and let others buy my groceries for me? Why do I go to work and pay taxes to pay for those who don't work? Why do I pay big money for my slice of nature when I can enjoy nature on somebody else's dime?

You said it. And if you're pretending to know me, you still have no idea what you're talking about.

Know the people who live out there are just middle managers. The ones who actually pull the strings live far away. As far as college degrees, wup te do, how many fry cooks at Mcduffs have degrees?! Just because someone has a piece of lamb skin does not make them good at what ever they do.

For number 2 sub State for Fed. Name one program that the State is running well?!

I thought I just did.

So I guess that someone who's been doing something all their life probably isn't good at it. When was the last time you went to a state park? Was it trashed? Did it not have lush lands? Wow.

Buy your own land and you can camp, hike, fish, whatever on it all you want. That's what I did. I spent good money on my 27 acres because I don't think I'm entitled to do so on someone else's dime. I also won't participate in any state or federal conservation programs for subisidies for my land because I'm not entitled to your tax dollars to fund my wants and desires.

I don't know how many times I have to say it. I don't give a flying eff what you do with your land and I'm not all for government TAKING your GD land. Man you have some SERIOUS reading comprehension problems.

However, one day I would like to enjoy the Grand Canyon, or the Geysers at Yellowstone. Ever been to the Gardens in So. In.? It beautiful.

Now let the state sell that to a private individual who puts up private property signs and denies access to the public. Yea. That's a real good idea. Our kids don't need to enjoy nature except the property that they live on. Who cares if they never get to enjoy camping in other places or exploring and learning other places. Just make them all private and watch them disappear.

Apparently none of you read the part I wrote that the lands given to the State of Indiana were DONATED. Name me ONE park that was land TAKEN by government and used as park land here in Indiana. Just one. Anyone? Anyone?

 

[E5RANGER375]

i wish i could afford enough land to live on it, work the land, take care of it, and watch it naturaly thrive, while i build my own house and TOTALY live off the grid!!! That is this mans dream! i hope one day it will happen, but i doubt it cause that much good land is almost unaffordable today. very sad!!! i wish the govt would give out land again like they did when this country was founded. give people the oportunity to work their own acreage and thrive. its a win win for both sides. Hard work, but whats better than waking up to your own place on earth and being free? hard work is good for you and makes you live longer.

 

[Jack Ryan]

Parks are great.
BUT
The Feds own millions of acres that are setting fallow and benefiting no one.
Mike

That depends on you definition of "no one". For most people it's the same as "not me".

 

[Jack Ryan]

I understand what you are saying, I get that BUT who says he would leave it to his kids? Lets say he knows what his kids would do and it would be willed to someone that would love the land just as much as he did if not more, Im sure he raised his kids well though.

All hypothetical of course

Now that's funny right there, I don't care who you are.

 

[hornadylnl]

You said it. And if you're pretending to know me, you still have no idea what you're talking about.



I thought I just did.

So I guess that someone who's been doing something all their life probably isn't good at it. When was the last time you went to a state park? Was it trashed? Did it not have lush lands? Wow.



I don't know how many times I have to say it. I don't give a flying eff what you do with your land and I'm not all for government TAKING your GD land. Man you have some SERIOUS reading comprehension problems.

However, one day I would like to enjoy the Grand Canyon, or the Geysers at Yellowstone. Ever been to the Gardens in So. In.? It beautiful.

Now let the state sell that to a private individual who puts up private property signs and denies access to the public. Yea. That's a real good idea. Our kids don't need to enjoy nature except the property that they live on. Who cares if they never get to enjoy camping in other places or exploring and learning other places. Just make them all private and watch them disappear.

Apparently none of you read the part I wrote that the lands given to the State of Indiana were DONATED. Name me ONE park that was land TAKEN by government and used as park land here in Indiana. Just one. Anyone? Anyone?

Yep, I've never once seen a privately owned camp ground. I'm sure some enterprising individual would love to buy Yellowstone and charge admission so those that use it actually pay for it.

I guess Mitch Care would be great but not Obama Care.

 

[6birds]

You can try to smear me all you want. It still won't work. Wasn't trying to smear you, you do that yourself. I just reminding others of what your "other face" said 120 days ago.

Oh, and guess what that home got turned into? A military type academy of sorts. Federally funded and run. Oh, yea, it's doing the same thing as before but for different kids not from Indiana, and run by your FEDERAL dollars now. It's not new, grasshopper, they are moving the Pendleton program to the Sailors house, lower costs to run, not more government spending, less. Keep up, I'll type slower....

And if you're pretending to know me.. nobody is pretending anything, but posting every detail of the social experiment you're running over there, it's hard to miss the irony eh?

However, one day I would like to enjoy the Grand Canyon, or the Geysers at Yellowstone. Ever been to the Gardens in So. In.? It beautiful.
I've been to every National Park except those in alaska and 3 or 4 others. The OP was about "Utah uses eminent domain on Fed land ", (keep up, I'm still typing slow for you little buddy), not the elk count in Yellowstone, stay on topic.

 

[jeremy]

I thought I just did.

So I guess that someone who's been doing something all their life probably isn't good at it. When was the last time you went to a state park? Was it trashed? Did it not have lush lands? Wow.

SE
The are not managing the land they are maintaining the grounds.
Huge difference.

Ever wonder why there are huge wildfires out west?! If they would manage the land, instead of maintaining it they would not have as many fires... That is Mother Natures way of cleaning house. This is just one example of the difference... A lot of the problems we are experiencing now with evasive species have been brought by the Government "managing" the environment.

 

[hornadylnl]

SE
The are not managing the land they are maintaining the grounds.
Huge difference.

Ever wonder why there are huge wildfires out west?! If they would manage the land, instead of maintaining it they would not have as many fires... That is Mother Natures way of cleaning house. This is just one example of the difference... A lot of the problems we are experiencing now with evasive species have been brought by the Government "managing" the environment.

Yep, you don't want anyone removing so much as a twig from these parks. It makes great kindling for a spark.

 

[SavageEagle]

SE
The are not managing the land they are maintaining the grounds.
Huge difference.

Ever wonder why there are huge wildfires out west?! If they would manage the land, instead of maintaining it they would not have as many fires... That is Mother Natures way of cleaning house. This is just one example of the difference... A lot of the problems we are experiencing now with evasive species have been brought by the Government "managing" the environment.

Wildfires aren't a bad thing. What would happen if no one was there at all? It would happen on it's own from lightning strikes. It's a natural process and happened for hundreds of thousands of years before we even came about. When the forest burns, it grows back from the ashes. Wildlife moves to a new area and eventually settles back after the fires are out and things are back to normal.

Like you said, Mother Natures way of cleaning house. We wouldn't need to clean it out if we would stop putting out the fires. Sure, protect the homes and the businesses and the industries. Concentrate your efforts on protection, not prevention or putting out the fire. Fire is there for a reason and too many people have forgotten that.

 

[irishfan]

Good to hear from you again! You are right. The Federal Government has no right to Park lands. They never have and I never said they did. But no one can show me where STATES don't have the right to maintain park lands.


Let me repeat that.

I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE FEDS! I'M TALKING ABOUT THE STATES!
I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE FEDS! I'M TALKING ABOUT THE STATES!
I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE FEDS! I'M TALKING ABOUT THE STATES!

Show me where states are not allowed to maintain a park system. Show me where the states have failed to manage their parks. Show me private property owners who let just anyone come onto their land to camp, hike, fish, whatever. I've never met one person.

Look. If you want to trust one person to manage a park instead of the State, fine. That's your choice. Start lobbying to make it happen. Just know I will stand opposed the whole time. Now, when you want to lobby to pass the NATIONAL parks on to the STATES, then I will state side by side with you to do so.

Yosemite National Park is a beautiful place but to be honest I really don't want Arnold Schwarzeneggar deciding on what to do with that land. I can already see him wanting to put in some new condos by the waterfalls and leasing them tax free to low income housing.

 

[SavageEagle]

Yosemite National Park is a beautiful place but to be honest I really don't want Arnold Schwarzeneggar deciding on what to do with that land. I can already see him wanting to put in some new condos by the waterfalls and leasing them tax free to low income housing.

Arnold wouldn't have that power. The Legislature would. And just like with the HCB, the people would have the courts to petition and challenge any ruling they pass with regard to the parks. Besides, I'm pretty sure if he wanted to do something like that, he'd already have started to try with the state parks. I don't see it happening. Even the liberal hippies would be up in arms over it.

 

[irishfan]

Arnold wouldn't have that power. The Legislature would.

Thats what they said about Obama.

 

[SavageEagle]

Thats what they said about Obama.

Obama didn't write, vote, pass, and then sign the bill. He only did the last part. He influenced a lot of it, but no governor has that kinda of influence. Well, maybe in IL, but who cares about IL...