Because money is not the real issue.
Bingo
Because money is not the real issue.
LOL My first thought was "not bingo, EGO". Thanks Coach, that was a bright light for me. For many it's not about cost or cool, it's about ego. One of the most destructive forces of nature. Wow, how could I have been so blind to miss that when I've tried to train around it so many times? And that is one piece of the puzzle you can't train around.Bingo
What my training skills and knowledge have "bled" over into is that I'm more competent to make an informed and mindful split second decision if I am faced with a life threatening situation. I don't feel I'm overconfident or self-righteous but I am confident that training has improved my ability to defend myself and those that I love.
Quote from an unnamed Navy seal.. "Under pressure, you don't rise to the occasion, you sink to the level of your training. That's why we train so hard"
I don't understand how anyone can make any argument against competent firearms training.
Spot on CM, no accountability or personal responsibility. It makes me crazy to see this stuff and makes us both dinosaurs to even notice or concern ourselves with such trivial matters.
Concerning what Coach discussed, my experience is more limited than his but what he describes is exactly what I've encountered in the basic classes I've taught.
NRA Life Member,Pistol instructor / RSO
Glock/M&P certified armorer
[FONT=&]"Under pressure, you don't rise to the occasion, you sink to the level of your training. That's why we train so hard" Unnamed Navy Seal[/FONT]
I am trained. I am former military."
We have done worse. The stakes were as high in the Cold War and any other.Ah, yes, the Cold War, the good war, holding back the Soviet hordes, fought from the banks of the Rhine with a glass of wine. We WON that war mister!
In an LGS recently I was Flagged by a woman as she pulled her gun to see if it fit in an uncle mike's cordura holster. I didn't notice where she pulled it from but she pointed it right at me.
I said, "Woah, is that loaded?"
She said, "Yes, but it is on safe. Don't worry, I won't shoot you. I am trained. I am former military."
All the time waving it around pushing it in and out of the cheap holster.
I didn't want to argue so I left.
This is the same LGS where I was fanned with a loaded .357 Magnum revolver a couple of years ago.
I have been thinking about this thread in my moments of reflection for a couple of days. I wonder how much of an adverse impact poor trainers and poor training classes have on the lack of appeal for training to many folks and particularly men. There are many trainers that are not really qualified and have nothing to offer and do a shabby job. Does this hurt the bottom line? How can it not?
...In some ways, it's like "The Gift of Fear". Great book when the author stays in his lane. Guns aren't his lane, and what he says about them is absurd...but folks who don't know what they don't know will accept his opinion because he's an expert in the other topics.
Dammit. I guess now I'm gonna have to finish that book. Or at least read until I'm good and pissed...
I have been thinking about this thread in my moments of reflection for a couple of days. I wonder how much of an adverse impact poor trainers and poor training classes have on the lack of appeal for training to many folks and particularly men. There are many trainers that are not really qualified and have nothing to offer and do a shabby job. Does this hurt the bottom line? How can it not?
Too few understand and embrace that it doesn't matter what you know or can do if you can't communicate that information effectively with students. Teaching isn't inherently difficult, but doing it well is not easy, nor are most people who try adept at teaching. Lots of people have skills and ability, but few of them are good teachers. More of them could be good teachers if they put as much effort into learning how to teach as they did their gun-related skills, but often they either don't realize or refuse to believe that they need help. Along those lines, very few students will give them direct feedback that they're not good teachers. At best, they won't be repeat customers.
I recently started working at range that has an RSO stationed on the range. I've spent time there and in other ranges but never hours at a stretch as an RSO. After observing people for several hours there I realized an extremely small percentage of people have even basic knowledge of their own firearms. How in the world do you convince people, training is essential, firearms being inherently dangerous in the hands of untrained people?
[FONT="]NRA Life Member,[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][I][COLOR=#999999][FONT=Tahoma] Pistol instructor[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][COLOR=red][FONT="] /[/FONT][FONT="] RSO[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#339966][FONT=Tahoma] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=blue][FONT=Tahoma]Glock/M&P certified armorer[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=blue][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#999999][FONT="] [/FONT][FONT="]“[/FONT]Safety is not something that you hold in your hands, it happens between your ears”
Col. Jeff Cooper
Stupidity is a God Given right and IF I'm not mistaken it's a guaranteed right under our constitution as well...
That's why the question was posed how do we convince people training is essential (as opposed to the common suggestion of mandating training as a requisite to keeping and bearing arms).
We convince via persuasion and example.
Reminds me of the political football the training for the recruiters in Indiana became. If I'm not mistaken Defensive pistol 1 and 2 came in being in response to a need to properly train the recruiters, at least that was Coach's thought. When the "mandators" got involved it was deemed safe and politically correct to give them the NRA basic pistol course. Nothing wrong with the NRA course but I can't see any correlation between basic nomenclature, safe handling vs drawing and getting rounds on a target. In almost every case the people that have the authority to mandate don't have the foggiest idea what the mandate should be.You are correct. Mandated training will not increase the education going on very much if at all.
One thing we can do is beat the drum here on INGO every time and inevery thread we can.
I am one of those "military" trained guys. I know the ins and outs of guns. I an a student of Colonel Coopers teaching. I have studied on my own for years and have learned much on INGO. One thing I had pounded into my head here is the need for furthur training.
There are alot of trainers here and I have plans to use several of them. Being in NWI it is difficult to get to mid state to take advantage of these guys, biu I have and will continue to.
Coach and BBI are great educators, I intend to go to some course or two with Adaptive Consulting and Training, I will eventually take Indiana carry law from Tactical Firearms Training and a medical course from (correct me if I am wrong) Cav Medic.
That is not an all inclusive list but it is a start.
But, I would not have developed this attitude with out INGO and developing a respect for the community. This would include the positive feed back for the Site supporting ADVERTISERS I have mentioned.