Trump 2024 ???

[Route 45]

I found this part to be interesting. He then said he would tell Putin "if you don't make a deal, we're gonna give them a lot, more than they ever got if we have to."

That suggests to me Trump's message to Putin is if he doesn't make a deal we will escalate our military weapon support under his administration if we have to until he does.

Seems to me that statement is more in line with the warring faction in congress now concerning our further participation in Ukraine than anything DeSantis has said.

I'm sure it's some kind of 3d Chess or something...

 

[buckwacker]

I found this part to be interesting. He then said he would tell Putin "if you don't make a deal, we're gonna give them a lot, more than they ever got if we have to."

That suggests to me Trump's message to Putin is if he doesn't make a deal we will escalate our military weapon support under his administration if we have to until he does.

Seems to me that statement is more in line with the warring faction in congress now concerning our further participation in Ukraine than anything DeSantis has said.

The warring faction doesn't want the war to end until they destroy\destabilize Russia. They're using Ukraine to do it.

I think Trump wants it over quickly. He is willing for both sides to lose to achieve that. He's threatening both sides if they don't play ball: he won't give Zelensky any more support if he won't negotiate, or he'll pour weapons into Ukraine if Putin won't negotiate. I don't think either of them will risk those options.

From what I've heard, the current US warring faction is doing pretty much the opposite: feeding Ukraine just enough support so that they can't fight to a stalemate, hoping that dragging this out will hurt Russia\Putin. They do not want the sides negotiating even though both are willing.

 

[KG1]

The warring faction doesn't want the war to end until they destroy\destabilize Russia. They're using Ukraine to do it.

I think Trump wants it over quickly. He is willing for both sides to lose to achieve that. He's threatening both sides if they don't play ball: he won't give Zelensky any more support if he won't negotiate, or he'll pour weapons into Ukraine if Putin won't negotiate. I don't think either of them will risk those options.

From what I've heard, the current US warring faction is doing pretty much the opposite: feeding Ukraine just enough support so that they can't fight to a stalemate, hoping that dragging this out will hurt Russia\Putin. They do not want the sides negotiating even though both are willing.

Ok. That’s one way to spin it into a positive for Trump. Knew it would happen sooner or later.

Howbout this strategy. Ok Europe it’s your problem. We’re outta here. Need to address more vital national concerns.

 

[Ingomike]

I found this part to be interesting. He then said he would tell Putin "if you don't make a deal, we're gonna give them a lot, more than they ever got if we have to."

That suggests to me Trump's message to Putin is if he doesn't make a deal we will escalate our military weapon support under his administration if we have to until he does.

Seems to me that statement is more in line with the warring faction in congress now concerning our further participation in Ukraine than anything DeSantis has said.

The warring faction doesn't want the war to end until they destroy\destabilize Russia. They're using Ukraine to do it.

I think Trump wants it over quickly. He is willing for both sides to lose to achieve that. He's threatening both sides if they don't play ball: he won't give Zelensky any more support if he won't negotiate, or he'll pour weapons into Ukraine if Putin won't negotiate. I don't think either of them will risk those options.

From what I've heard, the current US warring faction is doing pretty much the opposite: feeding Ukraine just enough support so that they can't fight to a stalemate, hoping that dragging this out will hurt Russia\Putin. They do not want the sides negotiating even though both are willing.

Ok. That’s one way to spin it into a positive for Trump. Knew it would happen sooner or later.

Howbout this strategy. Ok Europe it’s your problem. We’re outta here. Need to address more vital national concerns.

The spinner is you KG…

 

[buckwacker]

Ok. That’s one way to spin it into a positive for Trump. Knew it would happen sooner or later.

Howbout this strategy. Ok Europe it’s your problem. We’re outta here. Need to address more vital national concerns.

Im not sure how that's spin, that's just how I see it based on looking as objectively as possible at what each side is saying and doing. Are you saying it's positive Trump spin because you agree with his position and are uncomfortable with that?

 

[KLB]

I'm sure it's some kind of 3d Chess or something...

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No. He is more advanced. He plays 4D

 

[KG1]

The spinner is you KG…

You spinning me as a spinner.

 

[Route 45]

You spinning me as a spinner.

 

[oze]

You spinning me as a spinner.

*Sigh* I wish I could have been a Spinner.

 

[KG1]

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I had to break eye contact. almost got hypnotized by that.

 

[Route 45]

I had to break eye contact. almost got hypnotized by that.

You'd be in good company in this thread.

 

[Ingomike]

You spinning me as a spinner.

 

[jamil]

The warring faction doesn't want the war to end until they destroy\destabilize Russia. They're using Ukraine to do it.

I think Trump wants it over quickly. He is willing for both sides to lose to achieve that. He's threatening both sides if they don't play ball: he won't give Zelensky any more support if he won't negotiate, or he'll pour weapons into Ukraine if Putin won't negotiate. I don't think either of them will risk those options.

From what I've heard, the current US warring faction is doing pretty much the opposite: feeding Ukraine just enough support so that they can't fight to a stalemate, hoping that dragging this out will hurt Russia\Putin. They do not want the sides negotiating even though both are willing.

Oh, don’t forget the windfall for the military industrial complex.

 

[Ingomike]

Interesting timeline to review…

Trump Targeting, A Three Year Timeline Review - The Last Refuge

Sometimes things speak for themselves: ♦ September 2015 – Billionaire Paul Singer contracts with Glenn Simpson and Fusion GPS for opposition research on candidate Donald Trump during 2016 GOP presidential primary. Simpson prior work during time at Wall Street journal serves as reference. ♦...

theconservativetreehouse.com

 

[DadSmith]

 

[Ingomike]

Turley is no Trump supporter but his take on more potential indictments is interesting.

Law Professor Can't Find Much to Charge Trump If There Is An Indictment Over January 6

townhall.com

 

[KG1]

Turley is no Trump supporter but his take on more potential indictments is interesting.

Law Professor Can't Find Much to Charge Trump If There Is An Indictment Over January 6

townhall.com

i think a couple of takeaways from this is that Trump's speech at the Elpis on Jan 6 was covered by the 1st Amendment and there is no indication from that speech or anything else to suggest that he wanted there to be violence on that day.

The other thing pertains to frame of mind. They have to prove that he actually knew and believed that the legal theory used on J6 to object was false. By all indications he truly believed that he had won the election but was defrauded and had a legal right to dispute the outcome before the electors were counted and confirmed by Pence using that theory to delay the proceedings based on legal advice given to him specifically from John Eastman who he trusted which convinced him that he had an avenue to pursue based on that legal argument.

 

[Ingomike]

"DeSantis is Stooping to Such a Low Level" - Kari Lake SLAMS Dishonest DeSantis Ad Featuring AI-Deep Fake of Trump’s Voice | The Gateway Pundit | by Jordan Conradson

Kari Lake released a statement this week calling out Ron DeSantis for his lies about President Trump and urging politicians to “pledge against using Artificial Intelligence in campaign ads.” This comes after a DeSantis PAC dropped a new ad using AI to falsely accuse Trump of “attack[ing] Iowa.”...

www.thegatewaypundit.com

 

[DragonGunner]

i think a couple of takeaways from this is that Trump's speech at the Elpis on Jan 6 was covered by the 1st Amendment and there is no indication from that speech or anything else to suggest that he wanted there to be violence on that day.

The other thing pertains to frame of mind. They have to prove that he actually knew and believed that the legal theory used on J6 to object was false. By all indications he truly believed that he had won the election but was defrauded and had a legal right to dispute the outcome before the electors were counted and confirmed by Pence using that theory to delay the proceedings based on legal advice given to him specifically from John Eastman who he trusted which convinced him that he had an avenue to pursue based on that legal argument.

They already have documentation on Jan. 5th of Trump saying no violence and to be peaceful. The media wouldn’t air it. All these liberal democrats are demon infested with all their lies.

 

[jamil]

i think a couple of takeaways from this is that Trump's speech at the Elpis on Jan 6 was covered by the 1st Amenemhet and there is no indication from that speech or anything else to suggest that he wanted there to be violence on that day.

The other thing pertains to frame of mind. They have to prove that he actually knew and believed that the legal theory used to object was false. By all indications he truly believed that he had won the election and had a legal right to dispute the outcome using that theory based on legal advice specifically from John Eastman who he trusted which convinced him that he had an avenue to pursue based on that theory.

That last paragraph is my take on it. And it also comports with Trump’s typical way of getting what he wants. Find a legal theory that he could use to do what he wants, and then fight it out in court.

"DeSantis is Stooping to Such a Low Level" - Kari Lake SLAMS Dishonest DeSantis Ad Featuring AI-Deep Fake of Trump’s Voice | The Gateway Pundit | by Jordan Conradson

Kari Lake released a statement this week calling out Ron DeSantis for his lies about President Trump and urging politicians to “pledge against using Artificial Intelligence in campaign ads.” This comes after a DeSantis PAC dropped a new ad using AI to falsely accuse Trump of “attack[ing] Iowa.”...

www.thegatewaypundit.com

lies? I thought we all agreed that Trump actually wrote the words that were used.