Trump 2024 — The second term

[BugI02]

I pretty much agreed with everything else you said. Here, not so much. You used the same rationale on me whenever I said I'm voting for least evil, or holding my nose, etcetera.

Your Pontius Pilot accusation was never accurate. People get to rank politicians in terms of pros and cons, and in the end, for some people, there's fewer pros and more cons for the candidate who wins the primary. When the other candidate is worse, it's reasonable for those people to feel like they have to hold their nose to vote for the former.

There are probably some people who will not vote for Trump because they think it's immoral to do so. If that were the case, I think you might have a point. I mean, I'd rather Trump weren't a porn star ****er. To me when I felt like I had to hold my nose and voter for him in November, it's because the moral compass is one con for Trump. And not that I think there's anything immoral about voting for a porn star ****er. HKFC has said a lot against Trump. I haven't heard him say he thinks it's immoral to vote for Trump.

Something that's changed since then, I don't really feel like I'm holding my nose at this point. I actually want Trump to be president. I think feelings had the most to do with that change. The assassination attempt really pissed me off. That turned into a big pro in my thinking that cancels out many cons.

Only one con on my mind now, and that's pretty much hoping that Trump's tendency for unforced errors doesn't cost him the election. The debate performance did not seem to hurt him much.

8/10, the only con is - it isn't about you, not everything is. I'm glad you could make peace with the inevitability of Trump and I'm sorry I hurt your feels by disrespecting your minor in philosophy. Welcome to the dark side, now help me spread realpolitik to those who still can't see it

If you can't see the parallels between "When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it." and the attitudes of those still crawfishing and worrying about the hem of their garment after the choice became binary - America or communism - then I can't help you. I have more important concerns

Not trying to be an ass (usually that just comes naturally), but I meant the criticisms about your attitude at the time I gave them. I never expected you would agree with them because that's not how people are wired, not even Hegelian Dialectic fanbois

 

[KG1]

Personally, the push for a change in candidates for this election cycle was over once Trump received the nomination. I have admitted that I was open to exploring other options back then.

My focus then became working towered supporting that nomination. Like it or not It's either Trump's American leadership or Harris's. I'm rolling with Trump and not looking back toward re-issuing past criticism. It's non-productive at this point in the game.

 

[buckwacker]

I like to win. I like people who can advance the agenda. Trump was a coin toss. We had people who were better than a coin toss. It’s not that hard.
I’d put my pac and volunteer hours up against a majority of the board, but I don’t really care if you believe me.
I hope Trump pulls it out. I think the people he lost are either motivated by money and attention or people that just can’t forgive his post election loss antics.

There it is. This is what differentiates the loser wing of the Republican party from the Democrat party. The Dems will give up elections to ram through policy because they know the electorate doesn't have much of a memory. The loser wing of the Republican party only worry about "winning" elections and promote an endless line of spineless, ideological fence sitters who's only skill is to ply the base with platitudes then predictably fold on policy fights when the dems crank up their media propaganda machine because theyre "terrified" of losing the next election. After they fold, they lose anyway because the base has grown tired of the game and wont turn out for a cycle or two because, whats the point? Things get bad under dem leadership and they do their dead level best to convince enough of the base the next milquetoast candidate "is the only guy who has the best shot at beating the donkeys". Lather, rinse, repeat.

They only "care" about winning elections, and never policy fights. Trump, not so much. But sure, tell us how much you like to win again.

 

[Flash-hider]

There it is. This is what differentiates the loser wing of the Republican party from the Democrat party. The Dems will give up elections to ram through policy because they know the electorate doesn't have much of a memory. The loser wing of the Republican party only worry about "winning" elections and promote an endless line of spineless, ideological fence sitters who's only skill is to ply the base with platitudes then predictably fold on policy fights when the dems crank up their media propaganda machine because theyre "terrified" of losing the next election. After they fold, they lose anyway because the base has grown tired of the game and wont turn out for a cycle or two because, whats the point? Things get bad under dem leadership and they do their dead level best to convince enough of the base the next milquetoast candidate "is the only guy who has the best shot at beating the donkeys". Lather, rinse, repeat.

They only "care" about winning elections, and never policy fights. Trump, not so much. But sure, tell us how much you like to win again.

Word!

 

[HKFaninCarmel]

There it is. This is what differentiates the loser wing of the Republican party from the Democrat party. The Dems will give up elections to ram through policy because they know the electorate doesn't have much of a memory. The loser wing of the Republican party only worry about "winning" elections and promote an endless line of spineless, ideological fence sitters who's only skill is to ply the base with platitudes then predictably fold on policy fights when the dems crank up their media propaganda machine because theyre "terrified" of losing the next election. After they fold, they lose anyway because the base has grown tired of the game and wont turn out for a cycle or two because, whats the point? Things get bad under dem leadership and they do their dead level best to convince enough of the base the next milquetoast candidate "is the only guy who has the best shot at beating the donkeys". Lather, rinse, repeat.

They only "care" about winning elections, and never policy fights. Trump, not so much. But sure, tell us how much you like to win again.

How has that policy fight gone since Trump lost? Hard to have a policy fight when you have tweedle dee and tweedle dumb in the White House and trannies stealing luggage appointed to important jobs. You have to have a seat at the table to fight. Trump may eek this out because Biden/Harris are that frickin awful, but "we" choose to roll the dice here and my whole argument was that we didn't need to and this portrayal of Trump as a policy savior is fascinating. The only policy he could articulate was concepts of a plan, Orban loves him, he's the best, and we're going to do things to secure the border. I'm struggling to see what real conservative wins we still have lingering from Trump that we wouldn't have had from literally any other Republican.

 

[buckwacker]

How has that policy fight gone since Trump lost? Hard to have a policy fight when you have tweedle dee and tweedle dumb in the White House and trannies stealing luggage appointed to important jobs. You have to have a seat at the table to fight. Trump may eek this out because Biden/Harris are that frickin awful, but "we" choose to roll the dice here and my whole argument was that we didn't need to and this portrayal of Trump as a policy savior is fascinating. The only policy he could articulate was concepts of a plan, Orban loves him, he's the best, and we're going to do things to secure the border. I'm struggling to see what real conservative wins we still have lingering from Trump that we wouldn't have had from literally any other Republican.

Pretty much as I described because the Republican party is filled with people like I described. People that you think "would have a better shot". We control the house but you wouldn't know it because the majority of the party cowers under their desks for fear of what the media might say about them. E.g. CR after CR getting nothing in the way of our priorities through because they're terrified of being blamed for a shutdown. Trump is the exact opposite of this and that is why he has such an ardent following. There is no end to his fight. But people such as yourself bemoan the fact we don't have a John McCain or a Mitt Romney or someone of their "electable" ilk on the ticket. You're too scared to fight because you're afraid you might lose. If you're happy to watch the Republic figuratively drown slowly, than by all means stay the course.

 

[Magyars]

 

[HKFaninCarmel]

Pretty much as I described because the Republican party is filled with people like I described. People that you think "would have a better shot". We control the house but you wouldn't know it because the majority of the party cowers under their desks for fear of what the media might say about them. E.g. CR after CR getting nothing in the way of our priorities through because they're terrified of being blamed for a shutdown. Trump is the exact opposite of this and that is why he has such an ardent following. There is no end to his fight. But people such as yourself bemoan the fact we don't have a John McCain or a Mitt Romney or someone of their "electable" ilk on the ticket. You're too scared to fight because you're afraid you might lose. If you're happy to watch the Republic figuratively drown slowly, than by all means stay the course.

It's not who I think. I'm looking at data and polling. I know some will pick the most flawed poll they can find from some point in time and think they are proving something, but data was consistent for Haley by a mile and slightly for DeSantis in a head-to-head matchup because Trump has a ceiling of support. The fact is he lost an election and made a fool of himself in doing so. It cost him support.

Are you saying Trump didn't approve CRs to fund the government? That would be false. I'm still waiting for the policies we got from Trump that we wouldn't have from any generic R?

You can Chip Roy all you want. That path may sound ideal, but there is a reason they don't just stop and make everything perfect with no CRs and an ideal budget.

Romney was unrelatable and McCain was in an impossible cycle. Neither are my cup of tea, but assume what you want.