To Mask or Not to Mask?

[Studio 417]

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[foszoe]

I see. You’re in favor of decency laws.

You're not? Great can I come out and hang out at your house?

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

You're not? Great can I come out and hang out at your house?

Bring a pizza.

 

[foszoe]

Just some back of the envelope math here says there are currently less than 2 million people in the US that actively have the virus right now (from the worldometers site). That’s less than 1% of the population in the entire country. I’m probably 99% unlikely to encounter one of those people. The articles I’ve read say that I am unlikely to catch the virus by simple, casual contact with that less than 1%. I am like 98% unlikely to die even if I should catch that virus. I don’t think what’s on display right now by all of the condescending mask evangelicals is all that rational.

I deal with condescending evangelicals all the time

 

[Tombs]

If you guys really think his comments are solely about masks I’m sorry you are reading it wrong. I’ve seen his scars of oppression that he says started in similar fashion as cartels and corruption by government moved into his village in Mexico. I definitely won’t argue with you. If you don’t want to believe it.

but my government mandated that I wear PPE gear for my job. They mandated I take lots and lots of classes to learn about proper use and what it will protect me from. Now the same people are changing what they told me before and saying putting underwear on my face is protective. Sorry I don’t by it. I have personally seen people become ill from wearing a cloth mask recently. I’m sure you don’t believe that either but that doesn’t bother me either. You want to wear one then cool. I’d still go shoot with you while I don’t and we could be friends. But I won’t be forced to walk around like a child with a security blanket.

People don't want to listen to what they know is true. They want to signal virtue by doing the most useless thing, and to avoid feeling stupid, try to force you to do the same.

I take exception to gross stupidity.

Me too.

Read up on the dunning kruger effect.

Grocery shopping yesterday at my local Meijer. I'd guess around 90% compliance on wearing a mask. Of that percentage I would venture to say 10%, maybe less, actually using a mask that's effective and worn properly. The rest have the cheapest cloth mask they could make or buy. The cloth masks clearly state on the box that they are ineffective at stopping Coronavirus' Most wearing below the nose and most playing constantly with it and pulling it down to talk. This includes the employees. Zero covering the eyes, which is also a way of transmission.

Where I work I constantly see people pull in the parking lot and have their masks on. As soon as they come in the shop they pull it down to talk. I'd guess this is 90% of those that show up wearing a mask that do this.

What a joke to even think that the masks are going to do **** to stop or even slow down the spread!

But they get to signal their virtue, and in the end that's all that matters.

 

[KJQ6945]

Yay! 4 hours and no one else has gone off their meds.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Yay! 4 hours and no one else has gone off their meds.

And everyone's saddles have remained burr-free!

 

[Mr. Habib]

I am not an epidemiologist. However, I (and likely many others here) have spent a decent amount of time recently, learning about herd immunity.

When infections are increasing and fatalities are decreasing, particularly in sustained trends, this is an indication that;
1. Immunity is strengthening
2. The virus is weakening
3. Some combination of the above

The fatality rate is on a steady decline. In this environment, we should not be looking to slow the rate of infection. An argument could be made that we may want to accelerate it! What if there is something about this virus that makes it deadlier in the winter? Would we not want to expose as many people during the period of lower fatality to enable them to produce antibodies during the least risky time? Yes, this is based on a presumption, but nearly everything is at this point.

Actually, you're close. That is an inverse relationship between humidity and infection. Remember when your Mom told you to wear your coat so you
wouldn't catch a cold in the winter? She was half right. It's the lower humidity, not lower temps that allow virus to spread more easily. That plus people being
indoors and closer to one another are the issues. I fully expect the infection rate to start climbing come fall. I can't wait to hear the Left spin that as Trump's
fault.

I take exception to gross stupidity. It is nothing short of stupid to wantonly expose oneself and an unknowable number of others to a deadly pathogen.

This pandemic shows that a lot of so-called "independent thinkers" are really so many kool-aid drinking sheep.

The facts are clear: this virus kills. One of the few things we can do to protect ourselves is wear a mask.

It's your right not to take precautions to protect yourself. It's my right to call out your idiotic and dangerous behavior.

I take exception to gross stupidity as well. Th gross stupidity of blindly following the propaganda spewed by the main stream media and
ignoring the verified reports of labs and hospitals fabricating inflated test results. We independent thinkers or "sheep" as you derisively refer to us as,
are looking at facts and test results, not what some talking head vomits on TV. I can personally recall cases first hand where someone died
from cancer, and another in a motorcycle accident. Both death certificates listed Covid as the case of death. Another case close to me a person went to the ER
for a non Covid issue. They signed in and after an extended wait, chose to leave before seeing any medical personnel. Two weeks later they received
a letter in the mail informing them that they had tested positive even though they were never tested. Let's not forget the labs in Florida that were falsely
reporting 100% positive test results or the group of nurses, also in Florida, that sent unused test kits to a lab which all came back positive as well.

You state that this virus kills. It does, a small number of people, most with other underlying, contributing factors. Motorcycle riding and stage 4 lung cancer to name 2.
Even with the inflated and fabricated numbers, the infection rate is about 0.9% with a fatality rate of 4-5% of those infected.

As an independent thinker with an engineering background, working in the pharmaceutical industry, I look at information from all credible sources. I tend to
ignore "facts" from sources that have financial or political motivations. I have studied published pre Covid tests of masks in health care workers from sources
such as the NIH. Those tests are very clear that masks, of any type are not effective against virus and can possibly increase how far the virus can travel and
remain in the air stream.

The data from IN.gov show a steady decline in both ICU beds and ventilators in use for Covid treatment.

That Kool Aid must be pretty tasty.

 

[KJQ6945]

And everyone's saddles have remained burr-free!

I was to busy watching Fox News and sipping koolaid.

Have you tried this stuff? It’s really tasty.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

I was to busy watching Fox News and sipping koolaid.

Have you tried this stuff? It’s really tasty.

Black cherry is my favorite.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

I was to busy watching Fox News and sipping koolaid.

Have you tried this stuff? It’s really tasty.

I have not. The closest I've come has been Leinenkugel's Summer Shandy and Sam Adams Summer Ale... Lemony! And I've been watching Northwoods Law and American Pickers all day. And I have felated no one ever.

 

[Ark]

Even Harbor Freight was grabbing people and forcing them out of the store for not having masks today. The products on the shelves probably have more rona in them than the people shopping.

Really enjoying this mandatory free trial of life under socialism.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Malicious compliance. This is one way to do it.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political...the+survival+rate+for+everyone+drops+to+zero)

 

[Snapdragon]

I was to busy watching Fox News and sipping koolaid.

So who drew the short straw and got the Trump detail?

 

[Mr. Habib]

Malicious compliance. This is one way to do it.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political...the+survival+rate+for+everyone+drops+to+zero)

Thanks for the idea, I think I'm going with this one.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Thanks for the idea, I think I'm going with this one.

Not bad...

 

[ditcherman]

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Not bad...

[video=youtube;2oz6zTjvZZg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oz6zTjvZZg[/video]

 

[KJQ6945]

 

[BugI02]

There are times when people must work together to solve problems. Now is one of those times.

[Incorrect. There are zero times when a free people must do something. TPTB should be trying to convince more people to voluntarily comply. And what do you know, issuing contradictory and malleable 'science' pronouncements doesn't seem to work]

All you have to do is look at infection rates around the world. In countries where mask use and social distancing rates are higher, infection rates are lower.

[No scientific study that proves anything beyond correlation. Using Worldomters data, Japan has 191 cases/million population and 8 deaths/million. No other G20 country even comes close, so why aren't these 'countries where mask use and social distancing rates are higher' able to do as well as the Japanese? Is it just possible that it is something other than, or in addition to, masking that is affecting their numbers? If you'll uncritically accept masking, how do you feel about crystal healing and essential oils]

Here in the US the virus is out of control. A lot of people are dying that shouldn't have to. Wearing a mask and keeping your distance saves lives.

[Harvard epidemiologist says "When you flatten the curve, you don't prevent deaths - you just change the dates". Social distancing was never believed to be capable of preventing infection and neither is masking. The tell is there is no end game. States are saying mask for 4 to 8 weeks to get the spike in infection rate under control but the orders no longer have an expiration date nor do they contain a standard for declaring success. They are a recipe for continuing intrusive control]

No one has a "god-given right" to risk other people's lives...and that is exactly what the moronic anti-maskers are doing.

[No one has a "god-given right" to expect the world to be made 'safe' for them at the expense of the essential freedom of their fellow man. If at risk people don't feel safe, they should exercise their freedom to structure their own lives to ensure the best safety they think they can achieve. The need to change behaviors is incumbent on them, not on everybody else. I don't recall any government mandating the use of condoms during sex at the height of the AIDS epidemic, I remember the best known information about prophylaxis being widely disseminated and people were expected to choose what of their own behaviors they believed should be modified and then do so. Why is this different? Because it's not just 'those' people?]

There is very little we can do to protect ourselves and out loved ones from this disease[STRIKE], but there are several behaviors that are backed with good evidence of efficacy:[/STRIKE][And trading freedom for 'safety' isn't one of them, and the 'safety' appears to be largely illusory]

1) Stay home when you can, plan as few visits into public spaces as possible.
2) If you must leave your home, wear a mask and keep your distance from others.
3) Maintain clean surfaces.

If we choose to do these things ourselves, the government has no need to step in. It's only fox news-watching, qanon-worshipping, trump-felating kool-aid drinking idiots that oppose this.

[It's QAnon, and 'fellating' has two els. Also the jury is still out on who are the idiots - people who are skeptical of masking or people who buy into a protection system that only works if there is 100% compliance]

On a forum full of people who carry guns to protect themselves from situations that will statistically never happen to them it seems ludicrous to me that the same people are willing wade out into an active infection with no precautions.

[The important concept would seem to be that those people were free to make their own calculations of the risk they face and determine their own level of precautions in the face of it. That's all mask skeptics want]

Oh, right...fox news said this is about "muh freedoms".








**** me. The stupid in this place hurts.

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