Time to expand immigration for Mexicans

[jclark]

I've got news for you. There are plenty of lazy Americans of all races and creeds. They do drugs, commit other crimes, suck government benefits, and wouldn't have the balls to sweat for three days walking through the desert for the promise of nothing--not even a job--on the other side.

Damn good point.
I would love to trade off all the welfare leeches for hard working folks.

 

[IndyMonkey]

THat will never work, because the same people that want the mexicans are also the ones that support the socialist programs like welfare.

 

[jclark]

THat will never work, because the same people that want the mexicans are also the ones that support the socialist programs like welfare.

Yup. What a jacked up way to buy your votes.

 

[NordicHeathenVinlander]

I love this website so much. Libertarians post stuff like this, the conservatives fire off their hyper-nationalist drivel, and the libertarians blast them back to earth with cold, hard reality. It's quite refreshing to see that I'm not the only libertarian, veteran, gun-owning person in this state. When I lived in Illinois, I think I was the only one.

Where are the cold hard reality facts? I've spouted the hyper nationalist 'drivel' and I'd say I've caught quite afew red handed lies <------ No pun intended.

Conservatives spend way too much time focusing on the "illegal" part instead of doing something about our broken immigration system.

Illegal is illegal, being the first issue, why not give it it's dues?

Look around you. Mexicans come here illegally, work for $4 an hour, and a year later they have their own place and a car.

Yep, they further corrupt the system by they're very existance, kudos.

Blacks who have been here their whole life, are Americans, are legal, etc., are unemployed, are 5x more likely to do prison time, among other things. And the Mexican immigrant is the enemy? Give me a break. (let me be clear that I'm not generalizing about ALL blacks. I'm just encouraging you to look at the culture of a Mexican immigrant and compare that to to black culture in America).

apples and oranges. You cant compare the two.. Blacks are busy being oppressed, and getting they're reperations.

The American working class citizen cannot afford to pay they're reperations, and now compete for the lowest wages possible, while sustaining the communist agenda through the tax robbery system.


One free loader at a time, please.

I've got news for you. There are plenty of lazy Americans of all races and creeds. They do drugs, commit other crimes, suck government benefits, and wouldn't have the balls to sweat for three days walking through the desert for the promise of nothing--not even a job--on the other side.

Im not impressed with your spill about 3 days walk etc.

When he steps foot, he's a criminal, outlaw.. END OF STORY

Yep. My family came over in the late 1700's from Ireland. They also fought, bled and died for this country.
How many "Immigrants" would do the same today?
They could give a rat's ass less about this country. They just want to work and send the $$ home to their broke ass relatives in the mother land.

White people don't work hard? Come work with me. Play in other people's feces and urine for 8 to 12 hours a day.
Just because folks are lazy in your city does not mean they are lazy in mine.
(This one is aimed at whoever said white folks don't work hard.)

WHO SAID THAT???

I doubt they'd really want to play the comparing game..

 

[jclark]

I have worked with lagal Mexicans in the past and they are damn hard workers and do fine quality work. I just watched 5 of them do my neighbors house stripped, start to finish and cleaned up in a day. They worked 15 hours to get it done. Had that been locals, it would have taken 3-5 days. And imagine if they were union?
I appreciate people who work hard to get a head and I dont care if they send money home if they earned it. And, I dont owe anyone a job just because they are AMerican.

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[IndyMonkey]

Glad you had a good experience Fletch but I am not the least bit surprised. I have worked with lagal Mexicans in the past and they are damn hard workers and do fine quality work. I just watched 5 of them do my neighbors house stripped, start to finish and cleaned up in a day. They worked 15 hours to get it done. Had that been locals, it would have taken 3-5 days. And imagine if they were union?
I appreciate people who work hard to get a head and I dont care if they send money home if they earned it. And, I dont owe anyone a job just because they are AMerican. The best job for the best price gets my business. As far as comments made about Mexico. Some of you guys need to get out of Indiana every now and then. Mexico is a nice country that gets a lot of bad press from the bad border towns. I have traveled all over the country and the people are very nice and other than the border towns, I felt safer then I do in downtown Indianapolis. Yes in many parts, the economy sucks and thats why they are wanting to come here but the whole counrty in not like that. The Yucatan is booming and they are very well there. The difference is that they dont have a bunch of "rich" tax payers being bilked by the government to pay for lazy asses that wont work. If we cut off the welfare and unemployment, there would eventually be a line of people sneaking across to Canada for the easy jobs.

Hum, Im local to you and dont remember the last time a residential roof took 3 days.

I have spent some time in Mexico myself, and the Yucatan is not Chihuahua.

 

[NordicHeathenVinlander]

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Im sorry brother, but I dont feel he was calling White people lazy in this one.

Fortunately, preception is key in this.

 

[downzero]

Damn good point.
I would love to trade off all the welfare leeches for hard working folks.

So would I.

And I sure as hell don't give a rat's ass that some legislature refuses to steamline the process for those hard working people to come here and contribute to our economy. If Congress won't find a way to allow them to come here and work, let them work illegally....I don't care.

They're here because capitalism brought them here.

 

[hoosiertriangle]

Is capitalism the only reason? The U.S.'s entitlement programs have nothing to do with it? Good, free education and welfare benefits had nothing to do with it? Not paying any taxes, social security, or medicaid expenses? I think it's more than just capitalism.

Comparing today's immigration incentives with those of yesteryear isn't a fair comparision. In yesteryear, the only incentive was that if you worked hard, you had a chance of being successful. Oh and the general state of freedom that existed.

So would I.

And I sure as hell don't give a rat's ass that some legislature refuses to steamline the process for those hard working people to come here and contribute to our economy. If Congress won't find a way to allow them to come here and work, let them work illegally....I don't care.

They're here because capitalism brought them here.

 

[hornadylnl]

I had my current house roofed about 6-8 years ago. 30 square and about 90% of it was 12/12 pitch. 1/2 of it had 3 layers with wood shakes and had to be decked. There were about 15-20 Mexicans that showed up in 90+ degree heat and had it almost all done in 12 hours. They carried the shingles up by hand.

There is a crew of 6 white guys shingling my new house now. They finished the roof top delivery of shingles at 11:00 yesterday. It was already tar papered and as of 4:00 this afternoon, they weren't even close to being done. This is less than 40 squares and 6/12 pitch or less. If I were paying these guys by the hour, they'd have been fired within 2 hours.

Our current immigration policy is like having a party. You invite 5 people and 100 show up. We purposely invite fewer people because we expect more. We need to control the border and bump up the amounts of visas we get. I'd gladly ship out welfare queens and replace them with people who want to work.

 

[Son of Liberty]

Hey Fletch, nice story. Im willing to bet they are illegal.

You had great experiences, good. But I wonder how many Legal citizens you snuffed out of feeding they're children?

I wonder if you just funded some illegals to ship money back home, for drugs and other illegal activities.

You want to see what Mexico has to offer? Look at California.

Heck, Look at Mexico or anything south of our border. Not a place you'd even want to visit.

Just the way you look, you'd be a victim if you left the Westernized hotspots, like Cancun.
I knew people who had to go in those regions and they are not a joke.

I appreciate the story, and Im happy that you had everything work out for YOU. But this is again, bigger than any-one man.

I wont be changing your mind, but I do voice my disagreement with it, entirely.

I hope you really believe you made the right choice, brother.

Hell i wish i would have went and hired a crew of mexicans, the all american crap that is on my roof now wasn't worth my time and effort hiring the guys. Took them three times as long as any mexican crew Ive seen, and the guy who I hired, tried to sub out the rip off to a crew of mexicans, he lied to them about the amount of layers, so they left, as they weren't going to get properly paid. That mexican crew tore off half the roof in a couple hours and cleaned up. It took the all american squad two days. And crapping clean up. And then to finish it off they tore the gutters up and didn't replace any hangers or anything.

All and all horrible job. And an extreme lack of professionalism.

 

[Fletch]

There are plenty of American crews that bust there butts every day to achieve the American dream.

Actually there are more American roofers now than I have seen in my 17 years of roofing. A lot of the people that have been laid off or fired are back in the construction field pushing the messicans out of Indianapolis. Thats one part of the recession that I have been happy to see.

And I absolutely applaud any worker who does it better, faster, or with higher quality than the next guy. That's the way things are supposed to work. The way to put cheap labor out of business is to show customers what justifies their decision to pay you more.

If White Boy Inc. can do a roof better than a crew of Mexicans who'll do it cheaper, they need to be educating customers as to how this is so, and out-competing, not whining about how it's unfair that they have to compete. The housing boom resulted in a lot of shoddy craftsmanship, because people without any real construction knowledge were drawn into the industry by the exploding demand. Now that the bubble has burst, folks are gun-shy. They want assurances that what they're getting is worth buying, and that is a huge vector of opportunity for true professionals in the field.

I have to compete against legions of people in India working in code mills. I can demonstrate that my work and communication skills and ability to understand business problems are superior to the competition's. That's why I'm worth twice what they are, not because of some accident of birth that gives me certain documents.

 

[IndyMonkey]

The housing boom resulted in a lot of shoddy craftsmanship, because people without any real construction knowledge were drawn into the industry by the exploding demand.

Part of the lack of quality problem came from the unskilled Mexicans.

From my experience the two worst "roofers" I have seen were firemen and mexicans.

I hope for you that the company that you hired has been established in your area for years. Because what usually happens is most of the company's close their doors as there is a lull of work for several years. The mexican crews will be gone as soon as winter gets there or they have a week of no work.

I spend more time doing roof repairs than roofing bldgs anymore.

 

[NordicHeathenVinlander]

SOL, I dont defend the Americans who do a pee pee poor job, and slow at that.

I hope I wasnt suggesting this. Grade A work is a must; But being legal citizen should be, too.

I understand the Mexicans bust they're humps for the pennies, but they do so at they're own plight.

Why not stay in they're own native lands, and build it up? Why go to another country, where you are a criminal?

If they were so good, they'd respect the laws of the land, and not break them. If the Nation doesnt want you, that doesnt mean you come in, anyways. It means stay the efff out.

Nevermind, all the other hardships the immigrants are causing; Billions to fund programs to "Outreach" for them.. Afew pennies saved, and afew thousand per citizen gone.

Great logic, folks.

 

[Fletch]

Yeah, I've got no real worries on that count. The company is owned by my neighbor's relatives, and she had them do her roof too. And like I said, I checked refs and BBB creds. Given the size of our Hispanic community in Oklahoma City, I find it reasonable to believe the crew are permanent residents. It's possible they're shady, but so far the evidence says otherwise.

 

[downzero]

I have to compete against legions of people in India working in code mills. I can demonstrate that my work and communication skills and ability to understand business problems are superior to the competition's. That's why I'm worth twice what they are, not because of some accident of birth that gives me certain documents.

Yes! Competition is absolutely essential to capitalism. It's what makes us all better off.

 

[SemperFiUSMC]

I continue to vascilate on this issue. 20 years ago I was a partner in a resturaunt that was only able to stay in business because we hired a couple of Mexicans. We didn't get rich; far from it. We tried to hire American cooks. They wouldn't show up to work. If they did they were still drunk or high. Always a drama fest. The Mexicans that we hired never missed a day of work. They always showed up. On time. Ready to work.

I'm on the other side of the fence now. There are four problems as I see it.

1. We are a nation of laws. We CAN NOT choose the ones we are going to obey and those we are not. As soon as we do that we start down the slippery slope of lawlessness.

2. The money they illegals send home has a dramatic and negative impact on our economy. There are estimates that some $15 trillion has been removed from the US economy. I don't know if this is true, but if it is, this cash bleed is unsustainable.

3. While I believe most illegals come here to better their lot in life (an admirable personal goal), there can be little argument they negatively impact our infrastructure (roads, schools, hospitals, etc.), drive up costs for services, cause downward wage pressure as they will live a lifestyle and perform many jobs at wages far lower than Americans are willing to accept.

4. Like it or not, as soon as someone crosses our border illegally, they are a criminal.

The greatness of America has been due to our immigrants. That greatness comes from a willingness to assimilate into American society and become a fiber holding our society together. Illegals have no stake in our country. They are parasites seeking to strip off our resources, and any loyalty they have is to their own selfishness.

One man's opinion.

 

[UncleMike]

Its nice to see smoking357, Tudor and Fletch back together again.

Mike

 

[downzero]

Remittances don't necessarily negatively impact our economy. Because we have flexible exchange rates, the Mexicans must convert their dollars earned here into pesos to spend them abroad, buying pesos from us and selling dollars. Remember, money is a market as well. Especially now, where the world economies are crashing and there is a lot of demand for dollars as a reserve currency, we have a lot to gain from remittances in the money market.

 

[Steeler]

I continue to vascilate on this issue. 20 years ago I was a partner in a resturaunt that was only able to stay in business because we hired a couple of Mexicans. We didn't get rich; far from it. We tried to hire American cooks. They wouldn't show up to work. If they did they were still drunk or high. Always a drama fest. The Mexicans that we hired never missed a day of work. They always showed up. On time. Ready to work.

I'm on the other side of the fence now. There are four problems as I see it.

1. We are a nation of laws. We CAN NOT choose the ones we are going to obey and those we are not. As soon as we do that we start down the slippery slope of lawlessness.

2. The money they illegals send home has a dramatic and negative impact on our economy. There are estimates that some $15 trillion has been removed from the US economy. I don't know if this is true, but if it is, this cash bleed is unsustainable.

3. While I believe most illegals come here to better their lot in life (an admirable personal goal), there can be little argument they negatively impact our infrastructure (roads, schools, hospitals, etc.), drive up costs for services, cause downward wage pressure as they will live a lifestyle and perform many jobs at wages far lower than Americans are willing to accept.

4. Like it or not, as soon as someone crosses our border illegally, they are a criminal.

The greatness of America has been due to our immigrants. That greatness comes from a willingness to assimilate into American society and become a fiber holding our society together. Illegals have no stake in our country. They are parasites seeking to strip off our resources, and any loyalty they have is to their own selfishness.

One man's opinion.

This post is right on the money.