So... Concealed Carriers are terrorists?
Only criminals hide their gunsSo... Concealed Carriers are terrorists?
I have often commented the criminals and conceal-carriers (of which I occasionally am both) conceal for the same reasons:
- they want to enter areas that do not allow firearms
- they want to be around people that they know would not like to see them armed
- they want the "element of surprise" when something goes down
Not all CC-ers are crooks, but the vast majority of crooks CC.
Of course, at the end of the day, JFC. The only person you have to justify your reasoning to is yourself.
I have often commented the criminals and conceal-carriers (of which I occasionally am) both conceal for the same reasons:
- they want to enter areas that do not allow firearms
- they want to be around people that they know would not like to see them armed
- they want the "element of surprise" when something goes down
Not all CC-ers are crooks, but the vast majority of crooks CC.
Of course, at the end of the day, JFC. The only person you have to justify your reasoning to is yourself.
I don't deal with the criminal element enough to really put a number on it. So, it would be more anecdotal. The very, very few felons I have known, that carried (illegally) anyway, did so concealed when out and about in public. They DID carry openly, in an effort to show off, when around their "crew". OC was for intimidation, only. CC was for "business".How many criminals have you ever heard of OCing?
1) https://www.google.com/amp/koin.com...en-carry-law-robbed-of-gun/amp/?client=safari
2) This Concealed Carrier In Texas Got Robbed Of His Gun By The World's Dumbest Criminal
3) Clueless Open Carrier Robbed Of His Gun In Arizona
4) Oregon Man Openly Carrying Gun Has It Stolen at Gunpoint
5) https://www.google.com/amp/www.dail...bed-newport-news-story,amp.html?client=safari
6) https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nyR-
7) https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=p2_ehp_pOQ0
this really wasn't difficult to find. What makes a Terrorist so hard to find and kill? He doesn't advertise as a target.
Question: Those of us that open carry, do you use a holster of any level of security? Or an open holster and count on your SA to save the day?
I read this thread from time to time to see what has transpired and for entertainment purposes. Also, I have great respect for ATM, the originator of the thread. He and I have discussed this and have agreed to disagree but to defend the others point of view.
What I see is that a little new information has come up. However, most of what I read here seems to be intended to provoke an argument. Tsk, tsk. Be nice, boys and girls. This is an age old discussion and will not be decided to suit everyone involved. Be civil, be polite.
For the record: IF I am entering an area with the intent of causing mischief and mayhem, visible firearms get shot first, then the shoot me vests, then I will assess. NOTE: this is a thought exercise only and not a statement of intent.
Question: Those of us that open carry, do you use a holster of any level of security? Or an open holster and count on your SA to save the day?
I read this thread from time to time to see what has transpired and for entertainment purposes. Also, I have great respect for ATM, the originator of the thread. He and I have discussed this and have agreed to disagree but to defend the others point of view.
What I see is that a little new information has come up. However, most of what I read here seems to be intended to provoke an argument. Tsk, tsk. Be nice, boys and girls. This is an age old discussion and will not be decided to suit everyone involved. Be civil, be polite.
For the record: IF I am entering an area with the intent of causing mischief and mayhem, visible firearms get shot first, then the shoot me vests, then I will assess. NOTE: this is a thought exercise only and not a statement of intent.
Question: Those of us that open carry, do you use a holster of any level of security?
Or an open holster and count on your SA to save the day?
Tacti-cool?
I'm going to guess that training is a "no" from Mr Bennett.
Tacti-cool?
I'm going to guess that training is a "no" from Mr Bennett.
It is also irrelevant, because it is the thought process of a rational, moral, law-abiding person - which in no way represents the thought processes of the common criminal, psychopath, or terrorist.
You assume too much. Is it too much of a stretch that visible guns will get shot (at) first? You seem to fail to consider the training (prison) that bad guys get. You also seem to assume that I am a rational, moral and law-abiding person. And have little idea of my own level of training and experience.
I keep my holster (am I supposed to call it a rig? kit? gear? I'll never be tacticool...) concealed; even so, the one I currently prefer is an OWB: the Safariland GLS, which is level-two retention. Especially when I'm working around kids at church, I prefer to take no chances.
Good on you for your holster choice.
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You assume too much. Is it too much of a stretch that visible guns will get shot (at) first? You seem to fail to consider the training (prison) that bad guys get. You also seem to assume that I am a rational, moral and law-abiding person. And have little idea of my own level of training and experience.
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I assume very little.* Criminal psychology isn't exactly a mystery. Historically, they have been very open about their actions and mindset. See the myriad felon/convict surveys and studies that have been conducted. Criminals tend to look for the path of least resistance, easy marks, and inconspicuousness. They also tend to have tunnel vision, once they have selected a mark. And the thing they fear the most - even more than LEO - are armed (potential/would-be) victims. A criminal is far more likely to desist, and to try to find an easier mark, than to take on an armed citizen.
* Well, you have me on the latter point: I am indeed assuming that you are a rational, moral, law-abiding person. I feel fairly safe in that assumption, though.