The Democrat Primary Race Is Filling Up

[Brad69]

No you have look at it from a Democrat angle!

1. Free healthcare
No mention of how it would really work or how all medical people would become government employees.

2. Free Child care
How would this be administered? Nobody knows.

3. Free College and debt forgiveness
So we send everyone to college for free and payoff school debt does that even sound realistic.

4. End all oil production
This would implode our economy and send us back to 1929.

The list goes on this is not the party of JFK.

 

[Alpo]

Jamil:

Boomers are more likely to vote than most other democrat sub-groups. I would also throw in first-time voters who have not developed significant political positions but cannot stand Orange Man.

Democrats have been called traitors, communists and other things on this site. And there is a large enough echo chamber here to give them a continuing voice in that regard.

It doesn't make it true.

 

[JettaKnight]

The list goes on this is not the party of JFK.

Nope. Far from it.


But that doesn't mean that a majority of Democrat voters are socialist.

 

[Brad69]

How can I be wrong on Democrats being Communist when the leader of the parties popular vote is a Communist and not even a Democrat?

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Nope. Far from it.


But that doesn't mean that a majority of Democrat voters are socialist.

but but but, guilt by association!

I think there was a mindset around here not too long ago that if you vote for X, and X is part of Y party, and Z is a socialist that is also in Y party... you therefore approve of socialism.

 

[Alpo]

No you have look at it from a Democrat angle!

1. Free healthcare
No mention of how it would really work or how all medical people would become government employees.

2. Free Child care
How would this be administered? Nobody knows.

3. Free College and debt forgiveness
So we send everyone to college for free and payoff school debt does that even sound realistic.

4. End all oil production
This would implode our economy and send us back to 1929.

The list goes on this is not the party of JFK.

Let's take Boomer Democrats.

1) They have medicare. Which they pay for. Medicare is not free and requires supplemental insurance if you're a prudent person.
2) Nope. No children of school age at home. They babysit as grandparents, but they raised kids and made sacrifices in doing so. And daddy doesn't deserve paid time off when mommy has a kid.
3) Free Junior College is something that should be looked at and most would be in favor of. Anyone who thinks that graduating from today's high school and going into the job market makes them competitive will probably be working for a college grad from India or China in the long run.
4) End Oil Wars, not Production.

 

[jamil]

The Democrats that identify as moderate or centrist are lying to themselves the “big tent” has no spot for common sense. The unions are realizing that the Democrats will cause the loss of good healthcare plans and wage packages.

Bernie is taking a lead and Mini Mike just muddies the water for a time his S*#t the bed performance last night proves he doesn’t have what it takes to be President. It’s a battle between a Old Billionaire and a Old Communist that’s before they even meet the Trump train head on.

IME many people identify as Democrats because that’s how they were brought up “were a Democrat family” that’s great but JFK is gone!
It’s the party of AOC and Bernie now.

1) moderate/centrist democrats aren't really lying to themselves. It's not intellectual deception. It's that they haven't realized the Democratic party has pretty much left them.

2) Unions aren't opposing the new democrats because they think their members will lose good healthcare plans and wage packages. They're afraid they'll lose their power because who needs unions when there's really not much else to bargain for if the government provides everything?

3) It is not quite the party of AOC and Bernie yet. It is for younger generations. But there are a significant number of X'ers along with the Boomers. Bernie may win the primary for the same reason Trump did. Primaries favor grass roots candidates with cult-like support, especially in a large field, where the widest support is spread over several candidates such that from primary to primary, the one with large support wins over the others because that support is split. But the split support is still collectively much larger than the one candidate's support.

If all the primary elections were on the same day, Trump would not have won. He racked up lots of wins because he had a large but not majority following of Republicans. But as they dropped out, he was eventually left standing with one or two candidates who didn't have enough delegates to win. The same could easily happen to Bernie. The Bernie bros are fiercely loyal, just like the Trump supporters. They're not going to sway no matter what. As the lesser candidates drop out, Bernie will probably peel a few of those supporters off. There really aren't any other candidates with that kind of loyalty.

 

[Ingomike]

Give it a rest. Not everyone that went to college was "indoctrinated". Since when did education become a bad thing? Do you want Idiocracy to come true? Because that's how you do it.


Regardless of how you view it, the fact is that among college grads, the breakdown was 57% Clinton, 36% Trump. I certainly don't see anything that would push that demographic to Trump, except Bernie.

Yes they are. Look at much of the curriculum today. It is slanted toward leftist ideology. Much less so in STEM. That some can withstand it and possess critical thinking skills does not mean it is not present.

Education became a"bad thing" when leftists took over it and a large number of the degrees given, note, not earned, are not in social engineering, not STEM. Education became a bad thing when it demonized and denigrated work for profit.

One of the things we must do to make America great is to make the entire education system education not indoctrination...

 

[T.Lex]

While the current Democrats may not be the party of Kennedy, it ought not be forgotten that it was also the party of FDR. A majority of voting Americans supported the politicians who created the New Deal.

About 90 years later, everything old is new again.

 

[Alpo]

Yes they are. Look at much of the curriculum today. It is slanted toward leftist ideology. Much less so in STEM. That some can withstand it and possess critical thinking skills does not mean it is not present.

Education became a"bad thing" when leftists took over it and a large number of the degrees given, note, not earned, are not in social engineering, not STEM. Education became a bad thing when it demonized and denigrated work for profit.

One of the things we must do to make America great is to make the entire education system education not indoctrination...

Are you a college grad? Asking for a friend.

 

[jamil]

If this weren't the Democrat party, I'd give Bernie the odds on favorite to win, just because of the retarded staggered primaries. But the Democrats like their elites and they're not afraid to cheat. And honestly, that's my hope. I hope they **** Bernie Sanders really, REALLY obviously hard. And anoint that lil ********** as the nominee. No, not Pete. Bloomy.

Ain't no way the Bernie Bros are voting for Bloomy, especially if Bernie gets ****ed out of the nomination by the Democrat aristocracy. That would assure an utter, landslide Democratic defeat.

 

[Brad69]

Alpo you state Tump supporters talking points !

No Democratic candidates speak those words.

 

[Alpo]

Alpo you state Trump supporters talking points !

No Democratic candidates speak those words.

Voters, dude. Who gives a **** what a politician says? You called these democrat voters communists.

You see why you should wear throat protection?

 

[Brad69]

Democrats don’t speak that way or think in that manner.

 

[jamil]

I can only speak for myself, and probably T.Lex, but the butthurt about the primary was completely erased by the thought of getting stuck with Hillary in 2016.

It's conceivable Bernie's groups are more idealistic than pragmatic; but I wouldn't count on it.



Give it a rest. Not everyone that went to college was "indoctrinated". Since when did education become a bad thing? Do you want Idiocracy to come true? Because that's how you do it.


Regardless of how you view it, the fact is that among college grads, the breakdown was 57% Clinton, 36% Trump. I certainly don't see anything that would push that demographic to Trump, except Bernie.

Not everyone who went/goes to college was/is indoctrinated. But as more and more indoctrinated professors teach the teachers, more and more future teachers will indoctrinate their students. It's not a lot compared with all the teachers out there, yet.

There is a reason why the acceptance of socialism grows with younger generations. And it's not just age. More educated younger people have a fonder view of socialism, and it's not because socialism is a smarter system. The more educated boomers haven't changed their minds about socialism at all. I haven't. It's more reasonable to suspect the new rate of acceptance, especially with educated young people, is because the teachers teaching them are becoming more accepting of socialism themselves, and they aren't presenting the negatives of socialism.

In some areas of academia, that socialism > capitalism is practically a truism.

 

[jamil]

I can think of a few, but those countries had severe problems that couldn't be addressed through socialism. They also had a past replete with (near-)dictatorships.


I don't foresee Sweden becoming a dictatorship.




(This post should not be misconstrued as advocating any form of socialism)

Sweden isn't a socialist economy. It's mixed. But it is primarily a free market mixed with some public ownership. Let's keep the conversation about socialist countries' success stories to actual socialist countries.

 

[jamil]

Oh. And name for me a scaled real ass democratic socialist nation. That means real ass public ownership. And real ass democracy.

Then name one that's successful.

 

[JettaKnight]

How can I be wrong on Democrats being Communist when the leader of the parties popular vote is a Communist and not even a Democrat?

Well, you see, the leader of the popular vote for the Republicans in 2016 was...


The leader of the party doesn't define the identity of all the members.


I get it, the bozos on stage are the enemy. But not everyone that identifies as Democrat are as far off the end as the leaders. I certainly don't want to identify with Trump, yet he's my party's choice.

1) moderate/centrist democrats aren't really lying to themselves. It's not intellectual deception. It's that they haven't realized the Democratic party has pretty much left them.

And I wonder if there's a time coming (maybe soon) where the two parties split so far apart that another party springs up to grab the growing "enlightened centrist" who just can't stand the extremism and constant partisan politics. We've gotten to the point where a centrist/moderate who's a viable candidate (e.g. Tulsi, Kasich) in the general election just can't get past the primaries.

 

[nonobaddog]

I think there was a mindset around here not too long ago that if you vote for X, and X is part of Y party, and Z is a socialist that is also in Y party... you therefore approve of socialism.

1) moderate/centrist democrats aren't really lying to themselves. It's not intellectual deception. It's that they haven't realized the Democratic party has pretty much left them.

These have truth in them. There are a lot of good people that have been democrats their whole life and still see themselves as democrats and do NOT want socialism in any flavor. Many of them do not realize the party has abandoned them and gone bat-**** crazy radical left. They will probably vote democrat. Their votes will be interpreted by the left as endorsement of socialism even though they are not meant that way.

 

[JettaKnight]

Oh. And name for me a scaled real ass democratic socialist nation. That means real ass public ownership. And real ass democracy.

Then name one that's successful.

I only brought that up because that's what the democrats are pushing (now) - that "socialism-lite" European style.

I haven't yet heard anyone on stage push for hardcore socialism, just an incredibly massive government with far reaching control, with many key things (e.g. healthcare) being bought under the auspices of the government.


Every time I hear Bernie, he's pointing to Scandinavia, not to Venezuela or Zimbabwe.