The [Current Year] General Political/Salma Hayek discussion thread, part 4!!!

[Route 45]

I figure your clearances are for the job, when you leave it, they stay.

i thought the same thing......you leave you out of the loop....

How are politicians supposed to profit from their security clearances in the private sector if they get yanked when they leave the actual government positions where the clearances were necessary?

 

[ghitch75]

How are politicians supposed to profit from their security clearances in the private sector if they get yanked when they leave the actual government positions where the clearances were necessary?

ok i get it....like news analyst?

 

[BugI02]

that was my idea. Then when antifa starts whaling on us the “punch a Nazi” crowd will be seen assaulting people dressed as the Nazis forced Jews to dress. Maybe then it will finally sink in what they really represent

Gold star already has a different meaning currently. Remember Khizr Khan

 

[BugI02]

It’s not a binary. It’s not either undying universal support, or rabid blind seething hate. There’s a functional region between those extremes in which one acknowledges the bad with the good.

For example.

****ing a porn star while his wife was pregnant with his child identifies the utter depths of Trump’s character as a person. I can’t possibly ignore that and EVER have any moral claim against a democrat for moral lowness. That would be the depths of hypocrisy.

Lowering my taxes was good. Slashing regulations is awesome. I don’t generally believe Presidents have all that much impact on the economy other than removing government barriers, and I think our economy’s strength has at least a little to do with Trump removing some barriers. Picking reasonable origonalists for SCOTUS was awesome. Making headway, notwithstanding some less than advertised results with NK, is a net positive. We’ll see how the tariff strategy works out. The wall? Meh. But at least there’s a possible right-synthasis in a dialectic which has border security and reasonable immigration in it.

See? Was that really all that painful? It’s not making you one of them to say all the things that are true. I’m not willing to selectively ignore things just because of sides taken. I’m not picking a team. I’m just making a conscious choice to believe and say the things that are true enough.

This speaks to my question. If I can count on you to try to find a rational middle position, and I can count on Kut to take the worst interpretation of everything Trump; why is my voice needed in furtherance of either position. Why is there no room for the third way, essentially notKut in the truthtable sense. Why is it not just as correct to interpret everything Trump does in a positive light as in a negative light

Does not the union of Kut and notKut cover everything, with jamil being a proper subset of the whole?

 

[Kutnupe14]

now he needs to pull the rest of them......

Kinda odd that Brennan gets his clearance pulled, and yet Flynn still has his. I mean if we're pulling clearances now, it's hard to justify taking this one, and not the other... well, unless it's a punitive move simply because the president doesn't like what Brennan has been saying about him.

 

[BugI02]

Perhaps they'll get around to Flynn. Perhaps the obviously treasonous fifth columnists like Brennan are just a higher priority

 

[churchmouse]

Kinda odd that Brennan gets his clearance pulled, and yet Flynn still has his. I mean if we're pulling clearances now, it's hard to justify taking this one, and not the other... well, unless it's a punitive move simply because the president doesn't like what Brennan has been saying about him.

I saw a list elsewhere of those who are under scrutiny and might well be loosing clearances they no longer need. I am sure Flynn was on it but I could be wrong.

 

[Kutnupe14]

I saw a list elsewhere of those who are under scrutiny and might well be loosing clearances they no longer need. I am sure Flynn was on it but I could be wrong.

There are number of ways of looking at this. Some say that former high ranking officials should keep their clearances in order to be a source for current administration officials, allowing them to get up to speed. Then there are others that think once you're gone from an administration, your clearance should be rescinded, unless still holding a position that requires it. In both instances, I see it as all or nothing. In absence of wrongdoing that endangers the nation, it does not seem proper to pick and choose who keeps and who loses their clearances. This isn't to say that this isn't the president's right, it is.... but pulling clearances without consulting the DNI, is a first from my understanding, and seems more due to being upset with with one personal opinion, rather than a legitimate cause.
Perhaps I'll be surprised.... but I honestly doubt that you'll see any consistent rhyme or reason why these clearances are being pulled, other than that the people that loses them worked for the previous administration, or if they criticized the president.... and if Flynn keeps his, knowing al we know about him, then these actions should be seen as an attempt to silence his critics.

 

[nonobaddog]

Security clearance should go away automatically when it is no longer absolutely required. I'm pretty sure I lost my clearance the instant I left the military, hopefully just before that when I came back to the States.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Security clearance should go away automatically when it is no longer absolutely required. I'm pretty sure I lost my clearance the instant I left the military, hopefully just before that when I came back to the States.

I wonder. I have no idea about the military, but civilian clearances have expiration dates. If you leave a position (in good standing) you could still, in theory, have your clearance for a good while afterwards. Hence why you see a number of jobs that ask that people have active clearances before being hired.

 

[printcraft]

Perhaps they'll get around to Flynn. Perhaps the obviously treasonous fifth columnists like Brennan are just a higher priority

This^^^^^^

Brennan has already been outed as a nevertrumper. Why risk him having access to information that could be used to undermine the administration?
If you have a rat in the house you don’t give them free access to the cheese because they will likely **** all over the house if they are allowed to feed.

 

[nonobaddog]

I think they should go away immediately. If someone needs a clearance for another job they should have to obtain it specifically for that job. Why are they playing games with this obvious risk?

 

[Kutnupe14]

Once again, I'll point out that Flynn STILL has a clearance, and he's actually an admitted criminal that worked for foreign governments. Everyday he keeps his clearance after Brennan lost his, makes the president's action more dubious.

 

[Trigger Time]

I wonder. I have no idea about the military, but civilian clearances have expiration dates. If you leave a position (in good standing) you could still, in theory, have your clearance for a good while afterwards. Hence why you see a number of jobs that ask that people have active clearances before being hired.

Yep

 

[Trigger Time]

Once again, I'll point out that Flynn STILL has a clearance, and he's actually an admitted criminal that worked for foreign governments. Everyday he keeps his clearance after Brennan lost his, makes the president's action more dubious.

Flynn was railroaded for one. But two, normally the president isnt the one who is in charge of giving or taking away these clearances. So he would not be involved in the Flynn case anyways and his lawyers are most likely keeping him away from it as they should.
Brennen is a piece of **** and always has been. He doesnt have Americas best interest in mind and with very little digging he makes Hillary and bill Clinton look like saints. I use them as examples because most people are well aware of what theyve been involved in.
He should have never been director of CIA and I'm very glad this traitor who was also involved in lying to a fisa judge has had his clearance revoked

 

[BugI02]

Does Hitlary still have her clearance? If not, why not and who pulled it and when?

I understand she didn’t commit any crimes when SecState lolz so why wouldn’t she still have her clearance

How long should a formerly cleared official keep their clearance when they go to work full time for a “news” network. Pretty sure that’s a security problem.

 

[churchmouse]

Does Hitlary still have her clearance? If not, why not and who pulled it and when?

I understand she didn’t commit any crimes when SecState lolz so why wouldn’t she still have her clearance

How long should a formerly cleared official keep their clearance when they go to work full time for a “news” network. Pretty sure that’s a security problem.

Exactly. Once you are gone the door should close. Stop the leaks.
If you are being utilized by a new administration/agency then a title/job should be attached and you sit in for a given time period or until your help is no longer needed. Then the door closes and all access is gone. That is what being "Secure" entails or so I thought.
I agree with "TT" on this one.

As I read into this I see it as another "Hate Trump Hate Trump Hate Trump" move by the left. Spin up anything he does in a negative light to feed the need.
Let me again clarify the DJT was the lesser of the 2 available for the job. But I am glad he got it at this point in time.

 

[BugI02]

A quick search turns up stories from May and June of this year calling for revocation of Hitlary’s clearance

Now, if Trump we’re pulling clearances of people critical of him you’d think she’d be high up on the list

Kut, maybe you can try to revive the old canard about Trump being a secret Democrat in cahoots with the Clintons. You’d think ANY Clinton connection would further a Russian collusion narrative, too
Those people are hip deep in dirty Russian money

 

[jamil]

Of course you see it that way. You are not on the median.

I’m a fiscal conservative, yes. Socially? I don’t care who or what you ****. What is between consenting adults is not my business.

But seriously. Do you even twitter? Facebook? Real life? Where have you been **** on because you’re not sufficiently pro-Trump? And in those isolated places, how well does that extrapolate to the rest of the nation? Who’s chasing anti-Trump people out of restaurants? Which far right congress critters are calling for violence against the left? Who’s stealing strangers’ anti-MAGA hats in open public? Which anti-trump employees keep their beliefs to themselves for fear of getting mob-shamed out of their jobs?

I’m not saying pro-Trump people don’t **** on anti-trump people. But it’s orders of magnitude less in impact. Plus, the alt-right is fizzling. The press is so rabid, they play up the UTR-II rally, as if the country is being overrun by Nazis, and its 25 ****ing people. There are literally thousands of protesters there, including the far left antifa *******, throwing **** at cops, rioting, acting like ***** ass thugs, and the media focuses on the 25 alt-right idiots.



The Nazis are coming! The Nazis are coming!

Bull****. We have way more to fear from the far left right now. You people on the left should figure out how to isolate the nutters from having the loudest voices. The right did. Where’s Milo? The right castrated him.

If there is anyone sane on the left, I couldn’t tell. Because you only let the nutters speak for you. The alt right is dying a desrved death because people on the right are not letting the alt-right speak for them.

Meanwhile you on the left are still denying you even have a problem. You’re running out of real WN/Nazis to point fingers at, so you claim anyone who disagrees with you is one. Then you proclaim that the nutty ***** from Queens is the new face of the party, for crying out loud!

If you want to wear the identity. You’re welcome to own it.

 

[T.Lex]

A quick search turns up stories from May and June of this year calling for revocation of Hitlary’s clearance

Now, if Trump we’re pulling clearances of people critical of him you’d think she’d be high up on the list

Kut, maybe you can try to revive the old canard about Trump being a secret Democrat in cahoots with the Clintons. You’d think ANY Clinton connection would further a Russian collusion narrative, too
Those people are hip deep in dirty Russian money

Campaign Trump: "Lock her up!"

President Trump: "If she likes her security clearance, she can keep her security clearance."