Smart guns

[pudly]

He's a big city police chief. They are political appointments and tend to adhere to big city mayor's (usually Democrat) views. That is very different from Sheriffs who tend to be much more pro-2A and more in contact with their constituents views.

 

[avboiler11]

The fact that no federal, state or local agencies have issued "smart guns" as duty weapons tells me everything I need to know about their viability.

 

[pudly]

I was surprised that the segment shared some of the 2A arguments at all. They did give some coverage of the problem that we have with smart guns. However, they purposely left the impression as if we don't want new technologies and hate anyone that embraces it. That is far from correct. We (as a group) don't have any problem with it as a free market option, but have a huge problem with being forced or forcing anyone else to adopt it. That was the whole point of the incident with the Maryland gun store.

 

[level0]

Here's both the problem with so-called "smart" anything and why liberal Socialist American-hating traitors want everyone to have 'smart' guns:

How To Create Your Signal Jammer

This way the local bad guy, or the government-approved authority, can disable your guns on demand...their demand. I'm pretty sure the ghosts of the framers will rise in mass and start another revolution.

 

[seedubs1]

Exactly. If it worked correctly, it'd be adopted IMMEDIATELY by the military and LEO.

Imagine.....a gun that when a bad guy kills one of your soldiers or officers, it's worthless when the bad guy tries to pick it up and use it against you.

And all of those guns we supply to foreign countries.....we could shut them off when they either no longer need them or when they use them improperly.

The fact that no federal, state or local agencies have issued "smart guns" as duty weapons tells me everything I need to know about their viability.

 

[pudly]

Here's both the problem with so-called "smart" anything and why liberal Socialist American-hating traitors want everyone to have 'smart' guns:

How To Create Your Signal Jammer

This way the local bad guy, or the government-approved authority, can disable your guns on demand...their demand. I'm pretty sure the ghosts of the framers will rise in mass and start another revolution.

Yup. Guaranteed that both home-brew and grey market smart-gun signal jammers will be available to those who want them. Planning an "event" where those smart-gun equipped police will be called? Maybe a mass shooting? Just have one of these jammers handy and suddenly the first responders become secondary targets.

 

[searpinski]

The only smart gun I would accept is one that works with the chip I will already have embedded in my body. Anything less is useless. Come on mark of the beast we are waiting...

Even that has multiple potential failure modes. All electronics have the propensity to fail. My family's protection will never come down to depending on electronics to function. You can over-engineer, add multiple redundancies, whatever you want, but electronics can and will still fail. Give me a 100% mechanical device any day.

 

[Drail]

I heard Obama is developing a smart nuke that will only kill non Muslims. And the best part? - he "invented" it and it looks like a clock.

 

[Kutnupe14]

"Smart guns" are for people with absolutely no critical thinking skills. Put not your faith in electronic devices. As a former avionics tech I know precisely how "reliable" this junk will be when mass produced. At least on an aircraft you have multiple backups for everything. I believe the only reason that smart gun technology is so popular with liberals is simply because it will lead directly to the introduction of technology desired by law enforcement to switch your gun off whenever they choose. You KNOW that's where this is going.

AKA the general public.
I can see a number of potential useful applications for smart guns, at least in military and law enforcement arenas. And it probably shouldn't be limited to personal arms. Now, for the private citizen it shouldn't be mandatory, but it may be a sound option to a number of gun owners should they choose that route.

 

[Thor]

Any legislation that requires the adoption of this (let's face it...GPS tracking technology) may very well require the use of something like the polymer bullet technology reviewed in this month's American Rifleman (Polycase) where the case can only be fired once and the bullet won't go through body armor.

Because bad guys never wear body armor and only a criminal would want bullets that can go through a wall...besides, no lead so it's just great for the environment.

Never mind that the bullet design would probably be of limited use in hunting because the description of the damage done to flesh sounds like it would destroy the meat when fired from a high velocity weapon. I believe they said that the liquid around the bullet was accelerated to 5000fps as it left the area...

Why would they require it? Because controllers got to control and if they want to destroy an industry and a product they need to limit the means of production and destroy the current producers. Then when there's only one left they can just say it's not profitable and close the last door. Controlling access to ammunition has always been plan B for the gun grabbers. And those cases can't be reloaded...guns controlled, game over.

 

[HoughMade]

I'm a little surprised that any INGO member drives a car with drive-by-wire throttle, brakes or steering.

Smart gun technology isn't there yet, but it will be someday.

 

[avboiler11]

There are a number of transport category aircraft out there today with fully digital flight, engine, pressurization and brake controls...and those systems are quite mature, having been around for a few decades now.

Driving the transition to fully automated aircraft systems is a desire to increase reliability and reduce weight - neither of which "smart guns" offer. Additionally, those systems typically have at least one backup, as redundancy is required for certification - another feature "smart guns" lack.

When the Secret Service, ATF, FBI, or US military start issuing "smart guns" on a mass scale, we'll know concerns have largely been addressed. Until then...

 

[Thor]

It's not even necessarily a great idea in aircraft. A few Airbuses have fallen from the sky because their systems managers have forgotten how to be pilots and fly airplanes. They are basically a UAS with the control van mounted in the nose.

 

[level0]

I'm a little surprised that any INGO member drives a car with drive-by-wire throttle, brakes or steering.

Smart gun technology isn't there yet, but it will be someday.

No doubt the technology to make it work exists today, but it's the hackability that is my major concern. I require a system that responds only to my commands - and I have that already as my brain controls my actions, thus the actions of my weapon.

And, really, this whole thing is a not-so-thinly veiled attempt at gun control. I buy a smart gun - how does the gun know I'm the one who can shoot it? Why, *someone* has to tell it...wonder who that will be. How do I let my family or buddies try out my weapon at the range? How do I sell my gun? How long until I can only order ammo that is tuned to only fire from my specific weapon? How many of these weapons will I be allowed to have, since there will have to be a gun registration for the so-called "smart" part to work. Now Nancy Pelosi can tell me I have too many guns because I have two....or one. I have a handgun so I can't get another activated until I turn mine in....Limit one gun per household.....Oh look, this gun has been declared off limits to civilians, so I will use the gun registry to take back these 42,000,000 1911's.... Wait, I'll flip a switch so that no lead-based ammo will work in any "smart" gun.....And of course, my portable, 9v battery powered signal jammer will render all your weapons inert but mine is working just fine BANG BANG.

 

[actaeon277]

Lawmaker: Make NJ gun dealers carry 'smart guns'

 

[pudly]

Lawmaker: Make NJ gun dealers carry 'smart guns'

That was in the 60 minutes video. She failed so spectacularly with the original law that she championed (setting back smartgun technology by more than a decade) that she should now be trusted to use the power of the state to force gun stores to sell what she wants.

 

[richardraw316]

I cant help but think of the left's favorite arguement. " the founding fathers had no idea that technology would advance so much as to the ar15. They didnt mean full auto military styled assault weapons with hi capacity magazine clips." but this is ok? Any time a left thinks its a good idea it probably isnt. Always look for the hidden agenda.

 

[actaeon277]

That was in the 60 minutes video. She failed so spectacularly with the original law that she championed (setting back smartgun technology by more than a decade) that she should now be trusted to use the power of the state to force gun stores to sell what she wants.

She's upset cause no one wants to talk to her (gun rights people).
Duh. Or they are talking to her, but not saying what she wants to hear.

 

[oldpink]

No doubt the technology to make it work exists today, but it's the hackability that is my major concern. I require a system that responds only to my commands - and I have that already as my brain controls my actions, thus the actions of my weapon.

And, really, this whole thing is a not-so-thinly veiled attempt at gun control. I buy a smart gun - how does the gun know I'm the one who can shoot it? Why, *someone* has to tell it...wonder who that will be. How do I let my family or buddies try out my weapon at the range? How do I sell my gun? How long until I can only order ammo that is tuned to only fire from my specific weapon? How many of these weapons will I be allowed to have, since there will have to be a gun registration for the so-called "smart" part to work. Now Nancy Pelosi can tell me I have too many guns because I have two....or one. I have a handgun so I can't get another activated until I turn mine in....Limit one gun per household.....Oh look, this gun has been declared off limits to civilians, so I will use the gun registry to take back these 42,000,000 1911's.... Wait, I'll flip a switch so that no lead-based ammo will work in any "smart" gun.....And of course, my portable, 9v battery powered signal jammer will render all your weapons inert but mine is working just fine BANG BANG.

All of that's true, but don't forget the most obvious and immediate result, which is that adding all that delicate and easily jammed technology to an ordinary gun will price it beyond the reach of a low-income to middle class person.
"I'd like to buy that $150 10/22, but thanks to the benevolent lawmakers, it now costs over $1000."

 

[trucker777]

Guns are only as smart as the person behind the trigger. Duh...