I was looking for the OP’s picture
I was the OP. There is a picture posted of both an M17 and an M18. They all look alike other than the very early ones which had brown, rather than black, controls.
I was looking for the OP’s picture
I was the OP. There is a picture posted of both an M17 and an M18. They all look alike other than the very early ones which had brown, rather than black, controls.
If I were a collector, I suppose the surplus Sig M-17 pistol would have some appeal, but as a shooter, I can't see paying 3X the price of a new commercial one. Am I missing something?
If I were a collector, I suppose the surplus Sig M-17 pistol would have some appeal, but as a shooter, I can't see paying 3X the price of a new commercial one. Am I missing something?
Paul Harrel has a newish video out and at the end in his slight way (I feel at least) endorses the sig m17. Kinda surprised to see him go that route since he usually rolls with a 1911 in 38 super.
https://youtu.be/JiE1pUXEAHM
Nope. Aren't military/LE trade ins and surplus guns supposed to be cheaper than new commercial? You know, because they're used? I got really excited when I heard about the military surplus M17's going up for sale. I figured it was going to be like SIG Certified Preowned. My wife and I each got a Red Box P320 carry in 9mm with night sights for $380. Boy was I surprised to see what those M17's were going for.
i guess the big question would be when was the last time you saw us military surplus gun for sale??? The cmp has 1911’s but it’s a lottery to get one, and they’re a little more than you’ll pay for a new colt! Have you ever seen a us military surplus beretta 92 for sale??? No you haven’t, and you probably never will (legally that is!), as for the sig m17/18 surplus pistols the only reason these are for sale is because they were the test guns for the us army, and they were returned to sig after the testing was done, so unless hell freezes over you’ll never see a surplus m17/18 for sale.
the red box refurbished sigs are completely different than the surplus m17’s and that’s why they’re going for so much on gunbroker!
sounds like you know more about the sig m17 than many others. What is the difference? Is the difference between the p320-m17 and the m17 also there?
If you are a collector, go for it! Not having the ability of removing the fire control assembly would be a deal breaker, for me, as a shooter. I doubt that they were ever deployed overseas, either. I'll stick with my commercial model.I know the military issued m17 has a "lock" on the frame so you cant remove/replace the fire control unit (not sure if its on the surplus guns), and doesn't say "p320" only m17, it has a nsn part number on the slide, it has orange/green night sights, they have coyote colored controls (i think current military controls are black) and might have wear on the frame/slide including rack numbers on the frame
the commercial m17 serial numbers start with M17, the controls are black (the commemorative has tan) and has green/green night sights, the slide only says m17 on the commemorative, but the commercial pistols have p320 and m17 or m18 markings on the slide, the surplus m17's also have a "certificate of authenticity" which is kind of bs, cause it doesn't have the serial number of the gun on it.
i'm almost positive those are the differences, I might be wrong, if I am, please post on this thread!
If you are a collector, go for it! Not having the ability of removing the fire control assembly would be a deal breaker, for me, as a shooter. I doubt that they were ever deployed overseas, either. I'll stick with my commercial model.
i guess the big question would be when was the last time you saw us military surplus gun for sale??? The cmp has 1911’s but it’s a lottery to get one, and they’re a little more than you’ll pay for a new colt! Have you ever seen a us military surplus beretta 92 for sale??? No you haven’t, and you probably never will (legally that is!), as for the sig m17/18 surplus pistols the only reason these are for sale is because they were the test guns for the us army, and they were returned to sig after the testing was done, so unless hell freezes over you’ll never see a surplus m17/18 for sale.
the red box refurbished sigs are completely different than the surplus m17’s and that’s why they’re going for so much on gunbroker!
The CMP might actually get some M-9's to sell somewhere down the road. It'll be some time before the M 17 completely replaces those Berettas.That makes sense. I thought the military was going to be selling a bunch of surplus M9's. No legal reason they can't. They aren't machine guns. But I understand your point, and I understand why they are valuable to military collectors.