I think it's reasonable for some crimes to carry a lifetime ban from owning weapons as part of the sentence. Not any felony, but certain violent felonies.
For instance, armed robbery. You won't get life in prison for that, but by using a weapon of defense against your fellow citizens for the purpose of taking their stuff so you can have it, I don't have a problem with a life sentence against owning weapons.
I think it's reasonable for some crimes to carry a lifetime ban from owning weapons as part of the sentence. Not any felony, but certain violent felonies.
For instance, armed robbery. You won't get life in prison for that, but by using a weapon of defense against your fellow citizens for the purpose of taking their stuff so you can have it, I don't have a problem with a life sentence against owning weapons.
Personally, I feel if someone is deemed so dangerous that their Right to Self-Defense is Revoked. Then we should just Execute them...
What practical effect would a lifetime sentence against owning weapons have with a former felon? What practical effect would it have on law-abiding citizens' ability to freely transact the business of selling firearms privately or at retail/wholesale?
Partly I am...Are you being serious?
I'll answer a question with a question:
What practical effect does revoking someone's driver license for drunk driving have?
I think denying them a weapon for the rest of their life is a fitting punishment, that's all. They could still get one, sure, but then they'd be committing a crime that would also carry a punishment.
Are you being serious?
I'll answer a question with a question:
What practical effect does revoking someone's driver license for drunk driving have?
I think denying them a weapon for the rest of their life is a fitting punishment, that's all. They could still get one, sure, but then they'd be committing a crime that would also carry a punishment.
I use to believe the same way, even less than a year ago. I was TOTALY against a fellon having the right to ever own a gun again. But then I realized my thinking was flawed because they had served and repaid for their wrongs, at least where the law is concerned. Do we ever welcome these citizens back into society, or will we always treat them as outcast and then as the final jab, not allow them to protect themselves from the current brand of criminals on the street? Yes they did the crime, but they also did the time that we as a society chose to issue for the crime. once they are free'd they should be just like you or I. How else do we offer any incentive to keep doing good? Even your most religious or righteous people will sin, so how do you expect a person who isnt welcomed with open arms in a social or a economic (job) sense to perform? They will probly resort back to old ways and old relationships because new ones are out of the question.
We have laws on the books that says murder is wrong. armed robbery is wrong. waving your gun around in public is wrong. carrying a gun without a license is wrong (even though I dont agree with that). We all know and have proven its easy for a criminal to illegaly purchase a firearm. So why wouldnt we reward a person who ask to do it the legal way like all of us have? Do you realy think we have to wory about the convicted fellon who is telling the govt (asking them) to allow him to carry a gun? NO. We need to worry about the people who dont get their license who you never knew had one until its too late.
so I ask you to rethink your viewpoint like I once did, and maybe we can make sure we arent sending citizens out on the street to become victims or back into their old ways because we cant forgive. Remember that old book I mentioned before that you read? It says forgive right? you dont have to forget, but you do need to forgive and give people second chances. If they screw up again then nail them to the wall!
EDIT: I want to add that my feelings here DO NOT include felons out on parole. only former felons who have paid their full debt to society.
I use to believe the same way, even less than a year ago. I was TOTALY against a fellon having the right to ever own a gun again. But then I realized my thinking was flawed because they had served and repaid for their wrongs, at least where the law is concerned. Do we ever welcome these citizens back into society, or will we always treat them as outcast and then as the final jab, not allow them to protect themselves from the current brand of criminals on the street? Yes they did the crime, but they also did the time that we as a society chose to issue for the crime. once they are free'd they should be just like you or I. How else do we offer any incentive to keep doing good? Even your most religious or righteous people will sin, so how do you expect a person who isnt welcomed with open arms in a social or a economic (job) sense to perform? They will probly resort back to old ways and old relationships because new ones are out of the question.
We have laws on the books that says murder is wrong. armed robbery is wrong. waving your gun around in public is wrong. carrying a gun without a license is wrong (even though I dont agree with that). We all know and have proven its easy for a criminal to illegaly purchase a firearm. So why wouldnt we reward a person who ask to do it the legal way like all of us have? Do you realy think we have to wory about the convicted fellon who is telling the govt (asking them) to allow him to carry a gun? NO. We need to worry about the people who dont get their license who you never knew had one until its too late.
so I ask you to rethink your viewpoint like I once did, and maybe we can make sure we arent sending citizens out on the street to become victims or back into their old ways because we cant forgive. Remember that old book I mentioned before that you read? It says forgive right? you dont have to forget, but you do need to forgive and give people second chances. If they screw up again then nail them to the wall!
EDIT: I want to add that my feelings here DO NOT include felons out on parole. only former felons who have paid their full debt to society.
(Not important who posted it. Heard this so many times wanted to share some views on it from past conversations.)... but I still don't think it's right for convicted felons to have guns, and that is why I don't see what is wrong with having to fill out a piece of paper. The government is not keeping law abiding citizens from owning guns.
I voted yes and stand by it, face it, this isn't 1900. I understand that it's a supposed infringement, but is the government keeping law abiding citizens from owning guns? No, they aren't to an extent, I hate how they keep trying to talk about banning this or that, but that's all it is is talk. They can't, nor do I ever vote that way. Look, if it makes it a little harder for criminals and is for the greater good it is nothing but an inconvenience. This is coming from someone who gets delayed every time I buy a new gun. Every time. I don't know why, but I always get the ok the next day. Makes it a pain in the rear if I'm not buying local, that's for sure. Yes, I have a lifetime carry permit too, which makes even more ridiculous, but it's for the greater good. Why do we have speed limits? For the greater good. Why do we have laws about being under the influence and driving? For the greater good. Also that crack about drinking as a teenager, no it doesn't stop anybody, but it does make it more difficult for teens to drink. It's for the greater good. Slander if you want, I don't care, but I don't have a problem with it. I will if they ever think they can come take them away.
...I don't have a problem with it. I will if they ever think they can come take them away.
So, I vote yes. Let me explain why.... you are standing in your local gun shop, sporting goods store or whereever you may buy a gun. In walks scum bag convict. Lets say convicted cocaine dealer, or armed robber, burgar or rape. Not just your typical guy who messed up once or twice, but a true piece of crap.
In walks scum bag convict... Do you really want this type of person being able to walk right in and buy a gun right along side you?