Shot shell reloading questions

[Dentoro]

Can I reload 12 ga with pyrodex, plastic wads, bb's and shot card roll crimp? Just starting to crack open this beast.

 

[TJ Kackowski]

In a word NO ... stick with published reloading recipes until you have a better handle on what you're doing. Even then, shotgun shell reloading doesn't generally vary from the recipes. Metallic reloading will have some variance as you tune your loads to a particular firearm, but I know of no recipes that substitute Pyrodex for a smokeless powder.

 

[Dentoro]

Can I use a roll crimp with a plastic wad and shot cup?

 

[TJ Kackowski]

You're reloading paper hulls? I can't say as I've ever seen a roll crimp on a plastic hull.

 

[Dentoro]

I was thinking waa12r wad from claybusters, 1 oz shot, 50 gr pyrodex and overshot card with roll crimp.
i have six pounds of pyrodex and need to use it for something!!!!!!

 

[17 squirrel]

You're reloading paper hulls? I can't say as I've ever seen a roll crimp on a plastic hull.

TJ, Slugs use a roll crimp in most cases with plastic hulls.

 

[TJ Kackowski]

TJ, Slugs use a roll crimp in most cases with plastic hulls.

Ahhh … that explains it … I didn’t shoot slugs, only lead shot at clay targets.

I was thinking waa12r wad from claybusters, 1 oz shot, 50 gr pyrodex and overshot card with roll crimp.
i have six pounds of pyrodex and need to use it for something!!!!!!

Dude, seriously, get a reloading manual and follow the printed recipes … exactly as printed. What you’re suggesting could cause you serious and quite possibly irreparable harm. Do you have a death wish? Should we have you put under a 72 hour watch?

 

[17 squirrel]

Dude, seriously, get a reloading manual and follow the printed recipes … exactly as printed. What you’re suggesting could cause you serious and quite possibly irreparable harm. Do you have a death wish? Should we have you put under a 72 hour watch?

It truly has to make you wonder why so many new reloaders believe they have enough knowledge to just pick and choose what components they can simply toss togeather and shoot them.. It boggles my mind.

OP. Do yourself and others that are shooting around you a favor and go and take a reloading class..

 

[Dentoro]

I thought this was a pretty common CAS loading. I was just unsure if the roll crimp with the plastic wad would spike pressure more than star crimp.

 

[oldpink]

Please, as you've already been cautioned, don't just throw together some shotshell loads without using valid load data.
There are enough old shotguns out there (Damascus steel barrels) out there that there are bound to be manuals available that will explain exactly how to load Pyrodex for them.
Don't just assume that you know how to do it safely.
If you can't find published load data using Pyrodex and you don't have a muzzle loader, why not put it up for sale and make a black powder shooter really happy in the process?

 

[Leo]

The Cowboy action shooters have done this for years. When you say BB's are you talking steel? The common loads are for lead. Steel shot pellets are a whole different set of rules. I have no idea why you want to roll crimp with an over shot card. A common 8 point crimp is easy and reliable.

Try this as a start Pyrodex 12 gauge loads - THR

There will be a lot more information by searching cowboy action shooters.

Good luck.

 

[jamesb]

Try reading up on a few of these pages.

Black Powder Shotgun Shells

Black Powder (& Substitutes) for Dummies

BP (and subs) Cartridge Loading for CAS

I reloaded BP in plastic before I got my brass hulls but I used fiber wads (Circle Fly) instead of plastic shot cups. BP and subs tend to melt plastic. I always glue in an overshot card but most people when loadign the plastic tend to use a normal star crimp.
Jim

 

[17 squirrel]

I was hoping you would show up.. Good post Jim..
Did the move go smooth ??

 

[jamesb]

Yes, all my stuff is here, now just to put it where I want it again. That is the worst part of moving, all my stuff was where I wanted it, now, all packed in the garage like a jenga tower.

 

[17 squirrel]

Lol.. I understand completely, I have a wall of boxes in my shop that are all unmarked from the move back to Indiana almost 4 years ago.
After all this time you would think there's nothing worth while keeping after so many years.. And then I open a box and its something I just can't live without..