Senator Dan Coats says no!!!!!!

[Richard Whitefeather]

I didn't vote for Coats, once burnt, twice shy! Lugar HAS ALWAYS BEEN a left wing Marxist socialist sneak, playing the role of a conservative. He is by definition a Marxist or he wouldn't have been chosen to attend Rhodes University in Britain. They only select the best socialist candidates for that honor. Remember Uni-GOV?

He has been waiting in the wings for many years and now he has a full blown Marxist president to suck up to and lock step with. Watch out for that snake and his lies!

For starters we need to repeal:
1934 NFA
1968 Gun Control Act
1986 NFA laws banning machine gun manufacture.
All state and federal laws restricting our rights to own, open carry, or conceal carry any guns or knives we legally own.

We also need to:
Repeal all federal acts creating new cabinet positions and departments.
Rescind (via Congress) all executive orders that effectively act as laws bypassing Congress.
Terminate the TSA.
Get the freakin' UN out of the United States.
Stop supporting the rest of the left wing world financially.
Send all the leftwing sympathizers, politicians packing right behind the UN.
Make all attorneys ineligible for public office.
Prosecute all past/present offenses against the US Constitution as bonafide treason.
Institute term limits for all public offices.
Make service to public office a requirement (minimum 4 yrs)for all citizens just like military service used to be a requirement for anyone over 18 years old.
Declare a 10 year moratorium on all federal law making, except for budgets and emergency measures and during that time examine and rescind all unnecessary laws and regulations that burden private sector fiscal growth or make the US and its people dependent on foreign nations for anything.
Deport all illegal aliens with a permanent tattoo that identifies them as felons.
Do away with the IRS and replace it with a 1% across the board federal income tax, no paperwork, no IRS, no exemptions, etc.

There's more we must do to regain our sovereignty from the death grip of crooked self-absorbed politicians, but this is a good start!


___________
Whitefeather

 

[Bill of Rights]

I think Britton's comment about Coats listening to him and to another advertiser on this site was probably meant to say "Dan Coats will listen to these two of his constituents on this issue, both of whom are also advertisers on INGO, not because they are advertisers but because they are men whom he knows to be knowledgeable on gun rights issues. That's not to say he won't listen to others likewise, just that he will listen to them.

As for mending those fences, I think he can do it, but as said upthread, he's going to have to make a whole buttload of good votes and prove himself to do it. Trust is a funny thing; it's easy to lose with a single act and da*ned hard to earn back.

If he was to tell me that he's not going to be fooled again and that he's going to make good, pro-gun votes from here on, I'd have to say, "prove it."; the fact is that he's in office now. He's there for another 5 1/2 years. He did not get my vote last time. I won't rule out that he could earn it in a future election, but he's going to have to prove to me that he's worthy of it. I don't care what political party he claims to be a member of, if he proves himself to be worthy of my vote, he's got a chance of getting it. That would be affected in part by what his election would do in re: the leadership of the Senate, of course: A vote for Bayh, for example, was a vote to keep Reid in charge in the Senate. Is Coats worthy? Today, no, not based only on him saying he'll vote correctly. In five years? Time (and votes) will tell.

Blessings,
Bill

 

[Bill of Rights]

I didn't vote for Coats, once burnt, twice shy! Lugar HAS ALWAYS BEEN a left wing Marxist socialist sneak, playing the role of a conservative. He is by definition a Marxist or he wouldn't have been chosen to attend Rhodes University in Britain. They only select the best socialist candidates for that honor. Remember Uni-GOV?

He has been waiting in the wings for many years and now he has a full blown Marxist president to suck up to and lock step with. Watch out for that snake and his lies!

For starters we need to repeal:
1934 NFA
1968 Gun Control Act
1986 NFA laws banning machine gun manufacture.
All state and federal laws restricting our rights to own, open carry, or conceal carry any guns or knives we legally own.

We also need to:
Repeal all federal acts creating new cabinet positions and departments.
Rescind (via Congress) all executive orders that effectively act as laws bypassing Congress.
Terminate the TSA.
Get the freakin' UN out of the United States.
Stop supporting the rest of the left wing world financially.
Send all the leftwing sympathizers, politicians packing right behind the UN.
Make all attorneys ineligible for public office.
Prosecute all past/present offenses against the US Constitution as bonafide treason.
Institute term limits for all public offices.
Make service to public office a requirement (minimum 4 yrs)for all citizens just like military service used to be a requirement for anyone over 18 years old.
Declare a 10 year moratorium on all federal law making, except for budgets and emergency measures and during that time examine and rescind all unnecessary laws and regulations that burden private sector fiscal growth or make the US and its people dependent on foreign nations for anything.
Deport all illegal aliens with a permanent tattoo that identifies them as felons.
Do away with the IRS and replace it with a 1% across the board federal income tax, no paperwork, no IRS, no exemptions, etc.

There's more we must do to regain our sovereignty from the death grip of crooked self-absorbed politicians, but this is a good start!


___________
Whitefeather

Have to disagree with you on term limits for two reasons:
1) When we get someone in office who is a good steward of that office, why should we have to lose him/her just because some arbitrary period of time has passed? As long as s/he keeps representing the constituency correctly, to remove such a person would be foolhardy.
2) We've said for months here that the worry about Barry Hussein attacking gun rights won't be a serious worry until his second term. Why? Because then, we, the people, have no recourse. We have nothing to hold over his head in the form of re-election, because he is no longer eligible. He no longer has to care what the people think, not that he really does now other than if he ticks off enough of the voter base, the chance of re-election diminishes.

Now.. all that said, I do support the option of a recall, meaning I'd like to see the ability to remove him from office between elections for failure to correctly represent his constituency, meaning that if there is strongly voiced public opinion about an issue, such as the bailouts or Obamacare and an elected "representative" votes in opposition to that opinion, he should be able to be removed from office for not doing his job.

I want to see a minimalist government of this country, and what government there is, I want to see be as inefficient and powerless as possible. If we keep them in fear of losing those jobs and power, I think we'll see that start to happen.

Blessings,
Bill

 

[ThrottleJockey]

Have to disagree with you on term limits for two reasons:
1) When we get someone in office who is a good steward of that office, why should we have to lose him/her just because some arbitrary period of time has passed? As long as s/he keeps representing the constituency correctly, to remove such a person would be foolhardy.

Because politics was never meant to be a profession and those people selected need to go home and run their own affairs at some point as our founders intended. Because those we choose to represent us must come from our midst in order to represent OUR true needs and beliefs. Once they've been away from us for too long, they lose touch with what those wants, beliefs and needs actually are.

 

[HICKMAN]

Britton, as a customer of yours, I believe your backing of him says more than anything that he or his staff could have said to change people's mind.

As you stated, you have a lot at stake and your following up with him at least gives the man some credibility and hopefully those of us that are skeptical might be able to at least have some confidence in the man.

I am glad you didn't shy away and came back to post, keep up the good work and we'll keep supporting you!

Folks can change, after all... Mike Pence was once a Dem.

 

[Britton]

Folks can change, after all... Mike Pence was once a Dem.

Mike is a good Christian conservative servant of the people and I have already volunteered to support him in a fund raising event for his next election. I met him at a a fund raiser for a State Senator he is friends with, I was introduced as the guy that owns the "really cool gun shop." Mike shook my hand and said, "any man that owns a gun shop is a friend of mine." Then afterward I was nailed with questions about guns from one of his staff.

As far as changing, men can. I have changed a lot in the last two years. I never supported any candidates either with money or time in the past, but I have done a whole bunch of that and will do more in the future. We are at war with those that want to take our way of life, all of us need to fight it with our money and time now before it is to late.

 

[CarmelHP]

As far as changing, men can. I have changed a lot in the last two years. I never supported any candidates either with money or time in the past, but I have done a whole bunch of that and will do more in the future. We are at war with those that want to take our way of life, all of us need to fight it with our money and time now before it is to late.

Men change, OK, got it. I need evidence. Talk is cheap. I saw how Coats talked in 1994, he is still talking the same. I also saw how he voted in 1994. He was lying in 1994, is he lying now? We'll see. I'm hoping you're not proved the fool.

 

[Sgt7330]

Maybe he will figure out voting anti-gun this time around will get him voted out at re-election. Let us hope at least that stays on his mind.

 

[E5RANGER375]

Have to disagree with you on term limits for two reasons:
1) When we get someone in office who is a good steward of that office, why should we have to lose him/her just because some arbitrary period of time has passed? As long as s/he keeps representing the constituency correctly, to remove such a person would be foolhardy.
2) We've said for months here that the worry about Barry Hussein attacking gun rights won't be a serious worry until his second term. Why? Because then, we, the people, have no recourse. We have nothing to hold over his head in the form of re-election, because he is no longer eligible. He no longer has to care what the people think, not that he really does now other than if he ticks off enough of the voter base, the chance of re-election diminishes.

Now.. all that said, I do support the option of a recall, meaning I'd like to see the ability to remove him from office between elections for failure to correctly represent his constituency, meaning that if there is strongly voiced public opinion about an issue, such as the bailouts or Obamacare and an elected "representative" votes in opposition to that opinion, he should be able to be removed from office for not doing his job.

I want to see a minimalist government of this country, and what government there is, I want to see be as inefficient and powerless as possible. If we keep them in fear of losing those jobs and power, I think we'll see that start to happen.

Blessings,
Bill

This is solid thinking. although I do like some of the other points the guy (Richard Whitefeather) made

 

[Prometheus]

Folks can change, after all... Mike Pence was once a Dem.

He still is. Sure he talks a good game but look at his votes these past several months, massive spending on entitlement programs, support for the extension of the patsy act. Not to mention he will vote to increase the debt ceiling...

Pence is a POS. I thought he was the bees-knees the first few times I heard him on TV... then I saw his voting record. He makes visclosky look like Regan.

Speaking of POS's Lugar just said: "The Tea Party needs to get real". Uh-huh....

 

[Trevlan]

This is typical politicritter word games. Had he said "I will not support ANY legislation to further regulate ANY weapons" then I would be happy with the statement. The way he said it, as long as there is something added, changed, reworded, etc.. then he can support it without breaking his word.

The beauty of politics. It's a very dirty game. You need to have your belt on tight if you want to spar with those guys.

At the end of the day, WE NEED OUR GUNS. I have 70 lb coyotes running through my yard eyeballing my puppy. I have valuable property (valuable atleast to me) that I would not like taken by force. I LOVE to shoot for sport.

You want to fix the gun problem and satisfy everyone? Here is how you do it. Every gun, must be registered to an individual who has obtained a liscense to purchase a fire arm. At time of purchase, everygun should be fired and a balistics sample should be sent to the FBI. (Ban Hollow point rounds)

In order for you to sell a gun, you must report it to a federal database and provide the ID number of the person who's is liscensed to purchase firearms. Thus transfering responsibility of the firearm, to the new owner.

In order to obtain a LTPF, you must go under a pyscological examination under the aid of a truth syrum. The pyscological examination will consist of scenarios, and you will be asked how you would handle the situations. Ranging from practical good guy vs. bad guy, to a cheating significant other.

Guns don't kill people, people kill people. Until we take the guns out of the hands of the irresponsible, we'll always have these problems. Some people are not fit to be armmed.

 

[CarmelHP]

Trevlan, WTF, are you serious?

 

[Trevlan]

Trevlan, WTF, are you serious?

In regards to exactly what? And I'm serious about everything I say. When I'm not, I will highlight in purple.

 

[Expat]

In regards to exactly what? And I'm serious about everything I say. When I'm not, I will highlight in purple.

Sounds like Smoking357... how ya been?

 

[Trevlan]

Sounds like Smoking357... how ya been?

I've seen a few tidbits posted and references to this Smoking357 character. I'll assume he's not well received in this forum. I'm not trying to obtain that fame, I was already kicked in the teeth for posting original photos in the picture game here by the non photographers.

All I'm saying is, firearms are dangerous in the hands of the wrong people. I like the idea of a psycological extensive background check before you can purchase a gun. It goes against the bill of rights, but it'll ensure responsibility.

I know that I'll be responsible with a gun, not because I feel I'm better than anyone, because I don't use it for protection. I use it for sport.

When the time comes to carry, I'll ensure my responsibility by attending classes and being educated on when the situation is correct for deadly force.

Give us the same Pych test the police undergo.

 

[MTC]

You want to fix the gun problem and satisfy everyone? Here is how you do it. Every gun, must be registered to an individual who has obtained a liscense to purchase a fire arm. At time of purchase, everygun should be fired and a balistics sample should be sent to the FBI. (Ban Hollow point rounds)

In order for you to sell a gun, you must report it to a federal database and provide the ID number of the person who's is liscensed to purchase firearms. Thus transfering responsibility of the firearm, to the new owner.

In order to obtain a LTPF, you must go under a pyscological examination under the aid of a truth syrum... Some people are not fit to be armmed.

Moved here from NY... Uh huh. Looks like a candidate for the communicable disease thread.

Take a good look, people. Another example of "common sense" laws and "reasonable restrictions".

 

[jeremy]

The beauty of politics. It's a very dirty game. You need to have your belt on tight if you want to spar with those guys.

Politics is Dirty due to the Lack of Honor. If we as the Persons who Elected these Animals to their Positions would actually hold them accountable to Their Oaths of Office it might just be a little cleaner game...

You want to fix the gun problem and satisfy everyone? Here is how you do it. Every gun, must be registered to an individual who has obtained a liscense to purchase a fire arm. At time of purchase, everygun should be fired and a balistics sample should be sent to the FBI. (Ban Hollow point rounds)

Oh like they have been doing in the EU for Decades. Might want to review how well that is/has worked for them...

In order for you to sell a gun, you must report it to a federal database and provide the ID number of the person who's is liscensed to purchase firearms. Thus transfering responsibility of the firearm, to the new owner.

Once again like in the EU costs the Feds and the Taxpayers tons of cash just to administer the Program. So you want to pay more out in Taxes. I don't...

In order to obtain a LTPF, you must go under a pyscological examination under the aid of a truth syrum. The pyscological examination will consist of scenarios, and you will be asked how you would handle the situations. Ranging from practical good guy vs. bad guy, to a cheating significant other.

Under a truth serum, really?!
You do know that you can teach yourself how to still lie under a polygraph, don't you?!
Also who is going to decide who is right Psychologically or not?!
Life is a Large Grey Area, with very little Black and White to it.

Guns don't kill people, people kill people. Until we take the guns out of the hands of the irresponsible, we'll always have these problems. Some people are not fit to be armmed.

Some People should not be allowed to speak, yet they still have their tongues...
Some People are not fit to breed, but yet we have not placed Mandatory Sterilization Programs in place...
Some People are just plain old Oxygen thieves, yet we are not allowed to snuff them out to preserve the Oxygen either...

 

[CarmelHP]

In regards to exactly what? And I'm serious about everything I say. When I'm not, I will highlight in purple.

Just wanted to be sure before I applied the -1 to you. My god, you've got a lot of learning, or should I say unlearning, to do. Crazy.

With friends like this, who needs enemies?

 

[Trevlan]

Moved here from NY... Uh huh. Looks like a candidate for the communicable disease thread.

Take a good look, people. Another example of "common sense" laws and "reasonable restrictions".

I come from NYC where we're not allowed to have guns. I guess you need to be in a possition where you're not allowed, then granted access, to understand my possition. I'm happy to own a gun, I can't imagine myself not having one. They are pushing to take them away. We have to come to a compromise. The "This is my god given, constitutional right" mentality, is not going to win the war. Because of crazies with guns, we are in this problem.

Politics is Dirty due to the Lack of Honor. If we as the Persons who Elected these Animals to their Positions would actually hold them accountable to Their Oaths of Office it might just be a little cleaner game...

Ok, you solved the problem right there. Hold office officials accountable and all the politic problems will dissapear.


Oh like they have been doing in the EU for Decades. Might want to review how well that is/has worked for them...

Once again like in the EU costs the Feds and the Taxpayers tons of cash just to administer the Program. So you want to pay more out in Taxes. I don't...

Hmmm. I just looked at brief reading, biased, but I gathered the information I needed. Crime was already low in Europe to begin with, so their strict gun control laws are not credited for it. You want the benefits of a government, without having to pay. Move to an Island. The country is not run on good wishes. It's run on tax payers money. All this yiddle yaddle about paying extramoney for guns here, but not one words about the trillions spent a year fighting a phantom war, for f***ing oil we don't even see.

I don't understand what part of my post deemed me as having some strict gun law imposed. I just want the people who buy guns to undergo the same psycological evaluation that the police go through, and be acountable for their weapons.

Under a truth serum, really?!
You do know that you can teach yourself how to still lie under a polygraph, don't you?!

I guess you never have been under the influence of a truth serum.

Also who is going to decide who is right Psychologically or not?!
Life is a Large Grey Area, with very little Black and White to it.

That is a question we leave to the creators of civilization. Just figuring that out alone, will take forever. That's why I recommended one that was already in place, like the police psycology testing.

Some People should not be allowed to speak, yet they still have their tongues...

But are silenced.

Some People are not fit to breed, but yet we have not placed Mandatory Sterilization Programs in place...

We don't, but should we? We're talking about the second amendment, and how our guns are being taken away and restrictions, but yet you want to take another man's right to speek and breed? I recommend recanting this section.

Some People are just plain old Oxygen thieves, yet we are not allowed to snuff them out to preserve the Oxygen either...

I didn't know that you could steal something that is free. I also wasn't aware of the oxygen shortage on Earth. Maybe we shouldn't use toilet paper. I bet we'll preserve more oxigen then.

My answers are in red.

I feel like I'm being a troll, or having an opinion against the consensus. I just want my guns. I wouldn't mind having to jump through a few hoops than not to have them at all. Usually, people who oppose testing, are those who are unsure they'll pass.

The system is broken, according to the law, we have the right to bear arms no if ands or but about it. But we do have ifs, ands, and buts.

 

[Trevlan]

Just wanted to be sure before I applied the -1 to you. My god, you've got a lot of learning, or should I say unlearning, to do. Crazy.

With friends like this, who needs enemies?

That's just plain ignorance right there. Negative rep me all you want, as if that's going to force me to change my opinion. You would rather have it all or nothing, is basically what you are saying. You my friend, have a lot of learning of your own.

If your going to insult me, and speak of how crazy and radical my ideas are and that I need to learn and unlearn, then educate me. Don't just toss up a sentence that was lazily put together. Take the effort, or don't post at all. As far as anyone's concerned, you're just padding your post count.