Not really.If the NAFO people were consistent, yeah they probably would.
The Japanese attacked us, therefore, we go after them.
People were killed because of defense against the Japanese, and we still went after the Japanese, NOT the US Navy.
Not really.If the NAFO people were consistent, yeah they probably would.
Well, there's also the issue of NATO not even being in existence until after WWII...Not really.
The Japanese attacked us, therefore, we go after them.
People were killed because of defense against the Japanese, and we still went after the Japanese, NOT the US Navy.
Which is not the issue...Well, there's also the issue of NATO not even being in existence until after WWII...
Does what you think is rational thinking believe that the Russians would sell the Ukrainians (or anyone else who might provide them to Ukraine) fully capable frontline versions of the S300? Given that there are likely differences in the export product, that they have wreckage and they have extensive information on the S300s in Ukraine's possession (by virtue of those advisers) might they not be able to use such differences to determine whose launchers the missiles came from?I'm loony? You're the one swallowing what Biden's intel people are giving you.
Was it a blue and yellow missle with "definitely not from Russia and absolutely a Ukranian S300" written on it with a Sharpie?
Not all malfunctions are overshoots.Does what you think is rational thinking believe that the Russians would sell the Ukrainians (or anyone else who might provide them to Ukraine) fully capable frontline versions od the S300? Given that there are likely differences in the export product, that they have wreckage and they have extensive information on the S300s in Ukraines possession (by virtue of those advisers) might they not be able to use such differences to determine whose launchers the missiles came from?
Also, please delineate what Ukrainian targets the Russians were aiming for such that an overshoot would land in Poland
Besides which the missile may have lost lock AFTER maneuvering to intercept, so its eventual direction of flight would not necessarily be its initial launch vectorAnd as for the wrong direction. Even if you have a 95 percent accuracy, there's still that 5 percent error.
I'm trying to find pics/videos of missile loss of flight control.Besides which the. missile may have lost lock AFTER maneuvering to intercept, so its eventual direction of flight would not necessarily be its initial launch vector
NATO is not NAFO.Well, there's also the issue of NATO not even being in existence until after WWII...
Okay.NATO is not NAFO.
I suggest you google it.
Military Empires: A Visual Guide to Foreign Bases - World BEYOND War
Many countries operate foreign military bases; the U.S. by far operates the most, with over 900 military bases around the world. But at least 17 other nations operate foreign military bases, each of which increases the risk of war. Some of these physical installations are on land occupied as...worldbeyondwar.org
Another reason our military is always low on funds. Shut down half of these bases, and leave.
What a bunch of BS.
You see this conflict as about Russia.
I see this conflict to be about the USA wanting control of the world.
You point out the "virtuous defense of its acknowledged sovereign territory" as if we did not overthrow an elected government in Ukraine because it had Russian support to create in your mind(and many others) this democratic sovereign territory with just one political party(founded just to get Zelenski into the presidents office) .
You also fail to recognize things like Zelenski cancelling the lease of Crimea to Russia(that was already paid for). Ignore the UN treaties which made the separatist areas self governing(as they had been since before the fall of the soviet union,and stayed that way after the fall) that Ukraine ignored and instead shelled and bombed the cities for 8+ years.
The US has supported separatist regions before,when it was seen as a benefit to us(Yugoslav wars from 1993-2017 ). No mention of "virtuous defense of acknowledged sovereign territory" during that,as we were able to pick who retained power.
Am I an isolationist. No. I believe much as our founders did.
"Observe good faith and justice toward all nations. Cultivate peace and harmony with all. ... In the execution of such a plan nothing is more essential than that permanent, inveterate antipathies against particular nations and passionate attachments for others should be excluded, and that in place of them just and amicable feelings toward all should be cultivated. The nation which indulges toward another an habitual hatred or an habitual fondness is in some degree a slave. It is a slave to its animosity or to its affection, either of which is sufficient to lead it astray from its duty and its interest. Antipathy in one nation against another disposes each more readily to offer insult and injury, to lay hold of slight causes of umbrage, and to be haughty and intractable when accidental or trifling occasions of dispute occur."
George Washington
I do not see how crippling most of Europe,destroying our own currency(the moment we restricted the use to preferred counties), and spending vast sums of capitol and resources on a conflict that has raged in some ways for more than 900 years is in the interest of the USA.
We rank 42nd of 166 countries.
I repeat myself.I know... Facts are horrible things. Context? Don't want to worry about that, it might make you think...
And thinking about this, you do realize that with this comes the cheapest energy prices in the developed world. This makes the USA supremely competitive for manufacturing to be rebuilt here.
I see this conflict about preserving the peace and stability of Europe, the United States, and the world in the long run. Stopping Russia's unproved invasion of Ukraine IN UKRAINE keeps them from engaging with us.
You grossly overreach regarding any leases. Ukraine did extend the lease on Russia's NAVAL BASE for 25 years to extend to 2042, but when Russia invades another country I don't expect that country to continue to support Russian military bases. Duh...
The UN has not recognized any separatist regions inside of Ukrainian territory. Only Russia did that.
The United States has supported separatist regions in the past. And...? This time we are not and we are pushing the Russians out of those separatist regions. Bad USA?
We are not crippling Europe in any way. We are not crippling our own currency in any way.
PS - You still haven't retracted your accusation that I have used doublethink on this isue.
Yes we do. Who here wants to live in #1 - #41??? Although thinking about it Argentina and Brazil could have some seriously good looking latina women.
Regards,
Doug
It involved 2 treaties,not just one. With Russia in control of 81% of Crimea.You grossly overreach regarding any leases. Ukraine did extend the lease on Russia's NAVAL BASE for 25 years to extend to 2042, but when Russia invades another country I don't expect that country to continue to support Russian military bases. Duh...
The UN has not recognized any separatist regions inside of Ukrainian territory. Only Russia did that.