Russia vs Ukraine anyone watching this ignite?

[BigRed]

We don`t live in a vacuum my friend. If we ignore the plight of our friends and potential friends and ally's, we`ll shortly find ourselves surrounded by despots, tyrants, and mad men who mean to do us harm.

Perhaps yes.
Perhaps no.

“Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations...entangling alliances with none”


― Thomas Jefferson


Meanwhile, the central state is in full breach of its obligation to protect borders as evidenced on the southern border.

I have no interest in honoring dishonest brokers.

 

[ditcherman]

Not that they wouldn't still...mostly get slaughtered. The Russians have lots of practice with insurgencies and they legitimately do not give a crap about slaughtering people who look like them and speak their language. But they'd still fare better than getting eaten alive by the mechanized, combined arms spearhead of an invasion. That job is for the trained army guys equipped with Javelins and modern comms and a couple years experience fighting in the east of the country already.

There is still reason to hope none of this happens. If nothing else, it's been too long in the works and too obviously telegraphed. The Russians are cleverer than this. I want to believe that if they actually intended an invasion, they would engage in enough misdirection and subterfuge that our media (who are, in fact, the dumbest people alive) would be caught completely off guard rather than hyping it up for weeks on end. Eastern Ukraine is not valuable like Crimea is. Russia's interest is avoiding a NATO partner or EU member parked on their border and filled up with missiles.

But one way or another Russia is not going to let that happen. It would be like America letting Canada join the Warsaw Pact 40 years ago.

I don’t have any links but have a friend telling me international news thinks the west in general and US especially is being played, in that our media is playing the threat up more than it is.

 

[DadSmith]

If Russia invades Ukraine with its full power. Ukraine will fall in 24-48 hours. If they last longer than that I would be surprised.

 

[nra4ever]

The faster the better. Less chance of escalation and loss of life.

 

[DadSmith]

Maybe it will scare the rest of Europe enough to start building up their own military and depend less on the United States.

 

[76Too]

Not at all would be my vote.

 

[76Too]

Maybe it will scare the rest of Europe enough to start building up their own military and depend less on the United States.

That’s almost funny.

We ARE their military.

 

[DadSmith]

Just heard that the United States told Israel that Russia was likely to invade Ukraine this coming Tuesday. Many countries have shut down their embassies and left Ukraine already.

 

[BigRed]

Maybe it will scare the rest of Europe enough to start building up their own military and depend less on the United States.

Not likely.

Bringing troops home instead of deploying them like pawns for bull**** like this may encorage them though.

 

[DadSmith]

Not likely.

Bringing troops home instead of deploying them like pawns for bull**** like this may encorage them though.

Last I heard we are deploying to Romania, Hungary, and Poland if they want us there. I bet they do.

 

[Route 45]

I don’t have any links but have a friend telling me international news thinks the west in general and US especially is being played, in that our media is playing the threat up more than it is.

Russia is apparently recalling diplomatic staff from Ukraine.

Russia 'evacuating diplomatic staff from Ukraine' | The National

Move follows US warning that a Russian invasion is imminent

www.thenationalnews.com

Lots of nations advising their citizens to leave Ukraine, or issuing travel warnings. Not just the west.

Arab countries urge citizens to leave Ukraine amid tensions

A host of Arab nations have called on their citizens to leave Ukraine as tensions over a possible invasion by Russia reach new heights.

english.alaraby.co.uk

Bennett urges Israelis in Ukraine ‘to immediately leave’ as evacuation plans readied - The Times of Israel

Gantz orders IDF to be ready to assist amid fears of Russian invasion; diaspora minister calls for Israel to prepare for ’emergency immigration’ of Ukrainian Jews

www.timesofisrael.com

Taiwanese urged to leave Ukraine - Taipei Times

Bringing Taiwan to the World and the World to Taiwan

www.taipeitimes.com

Japan urges its citizens in Ukraine to leave immediately

The Japanese foreign ministry said on Friday it had issued an advisory urging Japanese nationals in Ukraine to leave immediately.

www.reuters.com

Turkey issues travel warning for Ukraine amid escalating tensions

Turkey issues travel warning for Ukraine amid escalating tensions-

www.news.cn

S. Korea to ban travel to all regions of Ukraine amid looming conflict

South Korea on Friday has decided to ban its nationals from traveling to all regions of Ukraine and urged those staying there to evacuate immediately amid brewing tensions in the region. The Level 4 travel alert, the highest in the four-tier system, is set to take effect Sunday, according to...

www.koreaherald.com

 

[Route 45]

Just heard that the United States told Israel that Russia was likely to invade Ukraine this coming Tuesday. Many countries have shut down their embassies and left Ukraine already.

Russia set to invade Ukraine on February 16: Report

www.deccanherald.com

 

[DadSmith]

Ukrainian Army Chief of Staff Lieutenant General Valeriy Zaluzhnyi, in a clear message to the Russians that his forces are ready for any possibility of invasion: "I am ready to receive the enemies, not with flowers, but with Stinger missiles, Javelin missiles and anti-tank missiles NLAW. Welcome to Hell! "

Defense Minister Oleksi Reznikov stressed that the events of 2014 will not be repeated. "The armed forces are fully prepared to fight back and not give up Ukrainian lands," he declared. "Today we have the strongest army in Ukraine for 15 years and the strongest army in Europe."


Glad General Valeriy Zaluzhnyi thinks he has the strongest army in Europe. If that's so Russia could take all of Europe as fast as they can drive there.

 

[nra4ever]

Ukrainian Army Chief of Staff Lieutenant General Valeriy Zaluzhnyi, in a clear message to the Russians that his forces are ready for any possibility of invasion: "I am ready to receive the enemies, not with flowers, but with Stinger missiles, Javelin missiles and anti-tank missiles NLAW. Welcome to Hell! "

Defense Minister Oleksi Reznikov stressed that the events of 2014 will not be repeated. "The armed forces are fully prepared to fight back and not give up Ukrainian lands," he declared. "Today we have the strongest army in Ukraine for 15 years and the strongest army in Europe."


Glad General Valeriy Zaluzhnyi thinks he has the strongest army in Europe. If that's so Russia could take all of Europe as fast as they can drive there.

Sadly for him he is unaware of the technology the Russians have at their disposal. This is a critical military error. 72 hours max if Russian are willing.

 

[DadSmith]

British Secretary of Defense

“The Russian invasion of Ukraine is highly likely
I fear that Putin's intentions will extend beyond Ukraine.”

 

[KG1]

British Secretary of Defense

“The Russian invasion of Ukraine is highly likely
I fear that Putin's intentions will extend beyond Ukraine.”

Last I heard we are deploying to Romania, Hungary, and Poland if they want us there. I bet they do.

 

[jwamplerusa]

I shudder, as I fear I am hearing the echos of September 1, 1939...

 

[Twangbanger]

Here is another read, opining that the threat has been trumped-up to in part to provide Biden with a foreign-policy victory when war _doesn't_ happen:

https://nationalinterest.org/feature/why-washington-has-lost-its-mind-over-ukraine-200513?page=0,2

According to this story, the calculated troop strength to occupy Ukraine after an invasion is 1 soldier per 60 citizens in hostile territory, and 1 per 100 in friendly territory, and that Russia does not possess the available troops for either scenario - it would basically require them to pull back every soldier it has for defending the country elsewhere.

In this take, Washington already knows war won't happen, and is playing this up so fiercely in order to intensify the "success" of their strategy:

"...The cleverest feature of the administration’s approach is that, when there is no war, Biden and Blinken can claim that it was all due to them and their solid statesmanship. "Deterrence has been successful! Our firm leadership made it so!" We’re not quite at that part in the unraveling of the plot, but getting closer, as U.S. intelligence seems not to be getting its predicted 175,000 (Russian, ed.) troops. At the last congressional briefing on February 5, the latest intelligence estimate was that 130,000 troops were mobilized, with only 62,000 combat forces deployed, scattered all around Ukraine’s periphery. Count on it, the reduction in future numbers (as the Russian exercises wind down) will be attributed to the wise leadership of the Biden administration..."

If this turns out to be the case, and the predicted "Olympics Invasion" doesn't happen, we are being massively, and I mean massively played. It sets the stage for the US media to begin proclaiming a Biden foreign-policy victory as soon as the Olympics are over, and generally begin rebuilding his image coming into the midterm year.

 

[SnoopLoggyDog]

I shudder, as I fear I am hearing the echos of September 1, 1939...

I agree. The situation has many parallels. We have living with a repeat of the "Phoney War". Focused combat in the beginning, followed by inactivity. Then Spring arrives and all hell breaks loose.

Phoney War - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[printcraft]