Range time with 9mms

[zachcz]

Always fun to take a member's gun to the range, especially if it is a CZ.
Zackcz let me take his 75 SP-01 Shadow that he put on orange grips.
Some good groups with both guns!
If Zack's were my gun, I'd have to drift POA over the the left a hair more.

Used Reloads, 105 grain on 5.75" circles at m 15' & 21' & 30' & 45'.
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1.75" circles at 15', 21' & 30'.
I'm impressed, a 9mm handgun has to be shooting well for me to get out my 1.75" circles used for .22LR.
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6 comparison targets shot previously using my CZ Shadow 2 with Cajun upgrades:
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I didn’t put grips on. It’s a factory shadow orange

 

[doddg]

I didn’t put grips on. It’s a factory shadow orange
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There is a gulf between the way I remember things & reality.

As I tell my wife virtually every day over some mental/verbal paux pas: "It isn't going to get any better!"
(I left out the "Honey" part, )

 

[doddg]

In hog heaven today shooting my two CZs I've had since 2018 & 2020:
- Shadow 2
- Rami
&
another two CZs I picked up just for fun shooting in Oct & Nov this year from Zackcz:
- CZ 75 B SAO with two 16 rd mags, a rare breed with its SAO from the factory
- CZ P-09 with two 19 rd mags, 3 backstraps, 4.54" barrel, DA/SA

I don't intend to keep the two new additions since the Shadow 2 is the ultimate shooter & "keeper" for me.
Having been upgraded to suit me, my only "personalized" gun I've indulged in so extensively.

The Rami is special CZ being a fully Cajunized subcompact with optional 14 rd magazine, discontinued in 2020.
Keeping it is really more nostalgic than anything, since I don't need it for a range toy & I don't CC it anymore.
Someday, for the right money, I'll part with it.

But, I love the 19 round capacity of the P-09
and,
the SAO of the 75 B makes it a great shooter in stock condition.

CZ P-09 at 21' 1st row
CZ 75 B SAO at 21' & 30' Row 2 & 3


CZ Rami at 21' 1st row
CZ Shadow 2nd row at 21' & 3rd row at 30'


CZ 75 B SAO


CZ 75 B SAO


CZ P-09 (mislabeled as P-01 on target page )


CZ Rami


CZ Shadow 2

 

[doddg]

9mm day at the range with 4 CZs from last Friday:
- Rami
- 75 B SAO
- P-09
- Shadow 2
Also included for function check:
- Smith & Wesson SD9VE
Having hard time deciding which to sell, but I need to thin the herd of some 9mm.
Maybe it'll take a few more "last range days."
I can't sell any 22LR at this point since they are my range toys.

To compare guns, my hobby approach, I added up how many rds each put in the inner light gray circle.
I realize if I did this again tomorrow, scores would change somewhat, my being the X factor.

Since I couldn't see the 2.75" gray circle.
I put a 3/4" red dot in the middle, but it shot off 2 of the targets.
No reloads, as is my custom lately, but used Blazer 115 grain, FMJ.
The CZ Shadow 2 grouped splendidly, as usual. My favorite gun ever!
Shooting it twice today, CZ P-09 improved from 40% to 80%.
The stock 75 B SAO is a shooter (100%), edging out the upgraded Rami (90%) today.
10 rds each circle.

 

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9mm day at the range with 4 CZs from last Friday:
- Rami
- 75 B SAO
- P-09
- Shadow 2
Also included for function check:
- Smith & Wesson SD9VE
Having hard time deciding which to sell, but I need to thin the herd of some 9mm.
Maybe it'll take a few more "last range days."
I can't sell any 22LR at this point since they are my range toys.

To compare guns, my hobby approach, I added up how many rds each put in the inner light gray circle.
I realize if I did this again tomorrow, scores would change somewhat, my being the X factor.

Since I couldn't see the 2.75" gray circle.
I put a 3/4" red dot in the middle, but it shot off 2 of the targets.
No reloads, as is my custom lately, but used Blazer 115 grain, FMJ.
The CZ Shadow 2 grouped splendidly, as usual. My favorite gun ever!
Shooting it twice today, CZ P-09 improved from 40% to 80%.
The stock 75 B SAO is a shooter (100%), edging out the upgraded Rami (90%) today.
10 rds each circle.
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Are these shot from a rest or offhand?

 

[doddg]

Are these shot from a rest?

Rest.
I don't want to depress myself by shooting freehand, ha ha!
If it's a carry gun,
Then I'll shoot freehand occasionally.

I would've enjoyed shooting another target freehand with all of these,
but because the price of 9 mm is precious in my eyes,
I don't indulge shooting larger calibers much anymore.

 

[doddg]

Sold SW 64 DAO.
Bought a Taurus 66, .357 magnum, 7 rd, 4", SS from a member here that I previously have bought/sold 22LR rifles with.

I like having a revolver in the house.
Smooth DA trigger.
Shot reloads only today, which might explain some fliers, or at least gives me excuse.
85 rds today.

Shot only 38 sp.
Did some some rear sight adjustments since POI was left & low for my eyes.
3.75" circles at 15, 21 & 30' free hand & rest using both SA & DA.
1st row was only free hand.


Control a little better on 2nd page, but no awards today.
DAO shot on this page, as God intended a revolver to be shot.

 

[DadSmith]

Sold SW 64 DAO.
Bought a Taurus 66, .357 magnum, 7 rd, 4", SS from a member here that I previously have bought/sold 22LR rifles with.

I like having a revolver in the house.
Smooth DA trigger.
Shot reloads only today, which might explain some fliers, or at least gives me excuse.
85 rds today.

Shot only 38 sp.
Did some some rear sight adjustments since POI was left & low for my eyes.
3.75" circles at 15, 21 & 30' free hand & rest using both SA & DA.
1st row was only free hand.
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Control a little better on 2nd page, but no awards today.
DAO shot on this page, as God intended a revolver to be shot.
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A 7 shot 357mag Taurus.
Looks like a S&W.
How do you like it?

 

[doddg]

A 7 shot 357mag Taurus.
Looks like a S&W.
How do you like it?

Agreed.
Rala from here in his ad said he'd put about 1500 rds through it shooting in competition using mostly .38 special.

 

[DadSmith]

Agreed.
Rala from here in his ad said he'd put about 1500 rds through it shooting in competition using mostly .38 special.

I've seen the Model 66 in display at lgs. It might be an inexpensive way to go until I get me a Ruger GP100.

 

[doddg]

I've seen the Model 66 in display at lgs. It might be an inexpensive way to go until I get me a Ruger GP100.

I thought so!
I'm selling a SW 686 today at noon to a member for $650, so $400 seems like Xmas, haha!

 

[doddg]

A function check today on a couple of utility 9mms.

CZ P-09
5 rds at 21' on 3.75" circles.
Row 1 on a rest.
Row 2 free hand.

Kahr PM9
5 rds at 15' & 21' on 3.75" circles.
Row 3
Circle 1: on rest at 15'.
Circle 2: on rest at 21'.
Circle 3: free hand at 21'.


CZ P-09 "new" house gun bought from Zackcz recently.
- first full-size polymer pistol from CZ
- polymer frame
- 19+1 with a flush fit magazine
- hammer
- decocker (can be swapped over to a manual safety)
- 8.1" OAL
- 4.54" barrel
- Omega DA/SA trigger system


Kahr PM9 in trigger guard pocket holster
- OAL: 5.42”
- Barrel Length: 3.1”
- Width: .9"
- Capacity: 6+1 (7+1 mag with grip extension)
- Weight: 15.9 oz. loaded
- Sights: Drift adjustable, white bar-dot combat sights
- Finish: Black Polymer Frame, Matte Stainless Steel Slide
-

 

[doddg]

Three CZ pistols with a Glock 34 today.
Not shooting well today; it shows I'm not spending much time with my 9mms.
Used 147 grain reloads, copper nose.

Row 1 & 2:
- Glock 34. I was all over the place with this.
Row 3:
- CZ P-09
- CZ Rami
- CZ Shadow 2
21' at 3.75" circles
My worst showing, couldn't keep all rounds inside circle.


Row 1 & 2:
- Glock 34 = 42, 42, 43 & 42
Row 3:
- CZ Rami = 48
- Shadow 2 = 47
Can you believe the Rami beat the Shadow 2 today?



pics of the Glock 34

 

[700 LTR 223]

I have a Glock 34 Gen 5 MOS , never shot it with the open sights , has a Vortex Venom 6MOA on it. May switch out to a smaller dot later. Have an aftermarket trigger in it , is lighter but about as crisp as a cooked pasta. I wish factory Glock was equipped with a trigger on par with my Shield plus. But at least Glock can milled the optics cut properly , the Smith Shield Plus won't even zero without an angled shim.

 

[gassprint1]

Three CZ pistols with a Glock 34 today.
Not shooting well today; it shows I'm not spending much time with my 9mms.
Used 147 grain reloads, copper nose.

Row 1 & 2:
- Glock 34. I was all over the place with this.
Row 3:
- CZ P-09
- CZ Rami
- CZ Shadow 2
21' at 3.75" circles
My worst showing, couldn't keep all rounds inside circle.
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Row 1 & 2:
- Glock 34 = 42, 42, 43 & 42
Row 3:
- CZ Rami = 48
- Shadow 2 = 47
Can you believe the Rami beat the Shadow 2 today?

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pics of the Glock 34
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Do you only shoot at around 7 yards. I noticed you had 21' wrote on paper? Also, is there some kind of advantage using 147gr over 115gr. My walther pps m2's work good with 115gr at around 10yrds but the px4 storm isn't liking the 115gr so much. No issues with 124gr. Could just be the Perfecta 115gr 9mm ammo.

 

[doddg]

Do you only shoot at around 7 yards. I noticed you had 21' wrote on paper? Also, is there some kind of advantage using 147gr over 115gr. My walther pps m2's work good with 115gr at around 10yrds but the px4 storm isn't liking the 115gr so much. No issues with 124gr. Could just be the Perfecta 115gr 9mm ammo.

I mostly shoot non-optic guns at 21', whether .22LR, 9mm or .38 sp.
If a gun is particularly accurate, then out to 30', if I can keep rounds inside my 1.75", haha!
Can't really see well at 30' w/o an optic and must have my binos handy, haha!

Optics begin at 30'.
If accurate enough, I extend out to 45', but rarely 75'.
If I have a particularly non accurate gun, I might even shoot at 15', haha!
Usually, I end up selling such after novelty wears off.

Don't really know much about 9mm grains, I quit shooting 9mm for the most part after prices went nuts.
I just happen to have some 147 gr. reloads available.
I'm now to the point where I'm more interested in putting most of my money getting some of the more expensive .22LR that are on my bucket list.
I have learned that some 9mm are set up for a certain grain enabling their POI to match POA.

 

[gassprint1]

I mostly shoot non-optic guns at 21', whether .22LR, 9mm or .38 sp.
If a gun is particularly accurate, then out to 30', if I can keep rounds inside my 1.75", haha!
Can't really see well at 30' w/o an optic and must have my binos handy, haha!

Optics begin at 30'.
If accurate enough, I extend out to 45', but rarely 75'.
If I have a particularly non accurate gun, I might even shoot at 15', haha!
Usually, I end up selling such after novelty wears off.

Don't really know much about 9mm grains, I quit shooting 9mm for the most part after prices went nuts.
I just happen to have some 147 gr. reloads available.
I'm now to the point where I'm more interested in putting most of my money getting some of the more expensive .22LR that are on my bucket list.
I have learned that some 9mm are set up for a certain grain enabling their POI to match POA.

Ok, was curious if this was what most shot distance was. None of my handgun have optics. All seem to be sighted from factory to about 10 to 15 yards at most which would be sr1911 45acp, walther pps m2, px4 storm, charter arms 38spc revolver and couple others.

 

[doddg]

Did function checks on 6 guns today, 5 being 9mm.

Used 125 grain spire point reloads.
21' mostly, but 30' on torso.
Red circles are 1.75".


21' mostly, but 30' on torso.
Red circles are 1.75".
These reloads started locking up the slide & it wouldn't pull back w/o alot of effort??
I don't need this gun anymore, never have carried it but always tell myself it is an option and keep it.
Shoots like a range gun, but I don't do anything but function checks with my 9mm anymore.
I'm afraid if I sell it though, I'd regret it.


This was all 21' b/c I forgot to go out to 30' for the torso.
The "badge" on the left was with a different kind of reloads, but they were terrible,
so I switched to Norma FMJ 124 grain for the rest of the targets today.
This is my house gun (x19 rds).


Used Norma FMJ 124 grain.
21' mostly, but 30' on torso.
Red circles are 1.75".
The head and torso shots were just like the "big boys."
Always loved this Shield Plus P. C. (used as a CC).


Used Norma FMJ 124 grain.
15' mostly, but 21' on torso.
Red circles are 1.75".
Shoots fine for the "small" carry niche.

 

[doddg]

CZ P-09 function check today.
This is my house gun w/19 rd magazine with a hammer: love it!

Only 20 rds. today.
Top part with the CZ P-09 on 2 large circles & 2 small circles:
- 21' on rest x2
- 21' free hand
- 30' on rest
Note: Ignore bottom target using Taurus M66 357 magnum, 7 rds.

 

[doddg]

I couldn't believe it when a friend & INGO member told me he had a
Sig Sauer 210 Target.
Nov. 6, 2017 (tag on box).
I took it to the range today & to compare it to my beloved upgraded Shadow 2.

From Wikipedia:
Swiss Army designed and manufactured in Switzerland by SIG from 1948 to 2006.
It was used from 1949 to 1975 by the Swiss Army and police units.
It was also adopted by the Military of Denmark in 1949 and was replaced by the SIG P320 in 2019.
Swiss production of the P210 continued until 2006.
A new model, the P210 Legend, was introduced by SIG Sauer GMBH of Germany in 2010.
The P210A, was introduced by SIG Sauer Inc. of New Hampshire in the United States in 2017.

From a 2020 article:
Recognizing the demand for this classic, in 2016 SIG Sauer began production of the new P210, a modern handgun that captures many of the design features of the original with a few tweaks added.
SIG Sauer offers the Exeter, New Hampshire-made P210 in two models:
The adjustable-sighted Target and the more utilitarian Standard.
The P210 is a full-sized single-action handgun with a 5-inch barrel.
Like the original, the frame and slide on the new P210 are constructed of steel,
though the company chose Nitron blackened machined stainless steel over the traditional chromoly.
Thanks to the steel construction, it is a relatively heavy pistol with an unloaded weight of 36.2 ounces.
The design is somewhat unique in that the full-length frame rails are internal,
and the slide rails are external,
the exact opposite of most handguns on the market.
The result is a pleasingly slim and trim profile with a low bore axis and a tight lockup.
Thanks to a generous beavertail and a high cut behind the trigger guard,
the P210 sits low in the hand where it should.

Specifications:
Caliber: 9mm Luger
Capacity: Two 8-rd mags
Barrel Length: 5″ target grade
Overall Length: 8.4″
Weight: 36.9 oz
Safety: Manual
Operation: Semi-automatic, single action only
MSRP $1699 (street price around $1450)

Range time:
3/4" blue squares on the back of an old .22LR target to adjust sights.
21' row 1 & 2
30' row 3
1st row, 21' on 1st square was a cloverleaf with 1st mag!!!
3rd row, 1st square was 2nd square shot w/o any adjustments yet.
Began adjusting POI to be lower and slightly left at both 21' & 30'.
Row 2, square 1 & 2 were the last shot.
Could not believe on Row 3, 3rd square, I got a cloverleaf at 30'.


Next, using 1.75" circles.
Row 1 & 2 at 21' & row 3 at 30'.
Row 3, I shot at 21' from my CZ Shadow 2, but forgot to take the pic.


Direct comparison possible now with the CZ Shadow 2 & Sig 210.
Essentially the same, with me being the X factor.
At 21' the Shadow at 100% edges out the Sig/90% & 95%.
At 30' the Sig 210 at 90% edges out the Shadow/80%.
But again, that could have just been me.