Primers

[dieselrealtor]

Seemed like I had read that most of the powders we use are imported. Couple of things come to my mind.

Is the powder used by US military US made or imported?

The reloading powder supply/demand is closer to being in balance than it has been in a while, will not take much to go back to powder shortage.

 

[BE Mike]

Low production (due to COVID) panic buying and hoarding have been huge factors in primer prices, as well as, rampant inflation and it ain't over! Poor political choices have brought on much of this. Not everyone who reloads turns out huge numbers of plinking ammo. A shooter deeply involved in one or more of various precision shooting sports will save tremendously over factory purchased match ammo (if he/she can find it). Each person should decide to reload or not based upon one's specific circumstances. I feel certain that there are huge numbers of primers in stockpiles of reloaders that will never be used. I question if companies who produce primers are making huge profits, considering inflation. As an aside, I wonder how much auto manufacturers are clearing as profit, the increase in the prices of autos? There seem to always be new government safety standards and law suits (some by government entities). That, and everyone wants the latest and greatest gadget to hit the market.

 

[gregkl]

Low production (due to COVID) panic buying and hoarding have been huge factors in primer prices, as well as, rampant inflation and it ain't over! Poor political choices have brought on much of this. Not everyone who reloads turns out huge numbers of plinking ammo. A shooter deeply involved in one or more of various precision shooting sports will save tremendously over factory purchased match ammo (if he/she can find it). Each person should decide to reload or not based upon one's specific circumstances. I feel certain that there are huge numbers of primers in stockpiles of reloaders that will never be used. I question if companies who produce primers are making huge profits, considering inflation. As an aside, I wonder how much auto manufacturers are clearing as profit, the increase in the prices of autos? There seem to always be new government safety standards and law suits (some by government entities). That, and everyone wants the latest and greatest gadget to hit the market.

You described my situation well with this post.

Part of the auto makers "record" profits are dealers selling at MSRP though I don't know exactly how the plays into the OEM's profits and the other is they are floor planning much less now than in the past which does directly contribute to their profits. Plus, the general lack of incentives they have had to entertain the past 2-3 years.

They discovered, due to covid in part, that not having thousands upon thousands of cars sitting on lots all over the country saves them significant costs as well as creating a demand that in most cases outpaces supply.

The only way they will return to the old way of loading up dealer's lots is if they start losing market share to a brand that does.

And since the car manufacturers are publicly traded corporations, you can look up their profits.

 

[Bosshoss]

That's a very good point, my friend. Also one of the reasons you and I haven't crossed paths much in recent years.

I have a lot of silly excuses for not shooting often, much less competing. A not as silly excuse is the replacement cost for my stock of reloading components.

On top of components double/tripling in cost, affecting my own wallet, I'm pretty big on not financially supporting those that don't support me.

Nothing wrong with making a profit. The primer manufacturers just won't make it off of me, until they make an effort to moderate their pricing to better accommodate the customer that turned them into the large industry that they are.

I'm totally happy to support the companies making 50-75% more than pre-panic times.

It brings up the age old argument of whether you make your better profit by volume or high pricing? I guess we will see.

The same as the UAW will see, right? Think they'd be back to work now, if they bargained a 50-75% raise?

I understand many that I used to shoot with have moved on to other things.
I have made so many friends shooting matches that it is a major part of my social circle.
I don't shoot as much as I used to but most of the shooting that I don't do anymore is practice. I practice at the matches
I don't shoot as much at Riley but every time I do I still look for you.
Stay safe my friend.

 

[Bosshoss]

At the risk of sounding socialist(I'm not, I was the president of the Adam Smith club in college. Look up Adam Smith if you don't know of him), I have a problem with the record profits the car makers are enjoying.

Because.... as their profits increase, the Tier 1, 2 and 3 suppliers profits dwindle. We are expected to reduce our piece prices 3-5% for at least the first 3-4 years of production. And no, after that we cannot increase prices. We are stuck for the rest of the model run to sell them parts at a significant discount. Then when the part goes to service and our manufacturing costs increase substantially, we are forced to continue to sell to them at the last production piece price they had.

I don't recall ever seeing the next model year coming out with a 3-5% price reduction.

I had gone on and on about the hierarchy of the automotive tier system, but I decided not to.

As far as primers, for me it is purely ROI. I don't subscribe anymore to the "I like to reload, it's a hobby so I don't care if I'm spending hours on the bench" mentality. I look at my time in terms of opportunity costs. And reloading does not provide the ROI I need, especially since I was only loading 9 mm on a single stage press.

The hours spent on the bench can be spent repairing small engines (which I do enjoy) which earns me more money than what I saved loading my own 9 vs factory stuff.

I have sold a lot of my reloading stuff and still have some more items to sell, but I'm cutting and running.

I don't think I'll ever get back into reloading but if I did, I'd go progressive anyway.

Yes I'm well aware of how they treat vendors. I dealt with several vendors that supplied steel and welded blanks at our factory.
I even got to tour their factories and worked with them in reducing cost. They would ship in parts that they modified and asked me to try to get them to work in our dies.
I got to travel some when we had a press line break down and had to ship certain dies out to meet production and I worked with several NON GM plants in the process.
The way the auto makers(ALL of them) treat their vendors is tough and instead of working to solve problems they just say tough luck here is a bill for OUR problems and they don't care if they put the vendor out of business as they will find someone else to jump at the possible contract.

 

[Brian's Surplus]

Large rifle primers coming in!

Tracking says they will be here tomorrow (Wednesday). I have no idea what time it will be here or if it will in fact be on schedule. Please CALL THE STORE with questions regarding availability or to have us hold some for you once we have them. We will NOT hold any items until we have them in stock.

There will be a limit of 1 brick (1,500) per customer. I have several cases of 12,000 coming in but THESE WILL NOT LAST LONG.

These will be $182.25 plus tax ($195) for a box of 1,500. This works out to $130 per 1,000 out the door. I don't like the price, but the way things are going I'm afraid we may not be able to get any more for a long time. These are costing ME over 10 cents each, plus I had to pay HAZ-MAT shipping since they ae not coming from our regular distributor.

 

[DadSmith]

Ginex Small Pistol Primers Free Shipping & Hazmat - American Reloading

Unis Ginex (Bosnia) Boxer Non Corrosive - Free Shipping & Hazmat -

americanreloading.com

$310 for 5000
FS
NST

It says there are 356 available right now.

 

[indyblue]

Ginex Small Pistol Primers Free Shipping & Hazmat - American Reloading

Unis Ginex (Bosnia) Boxer Non Corrosive - Free Shipping & Hazmat -

americanreloading.com

$310 for 5000
FS
NST

It says there are 356 available right now.

Ordered 5K CCI SPP last weekend, still no update to my order nor a tracking number (+4 business days now).

 

[Kdf101]

I may be late to the party, but top guns in Terre haute has had primers for weeks, LP, SP,LR, and SR, for 77 bucks per 1000. Federal primers when I was in there.

 

[dieselrealtor]

CCI #400 small rifle
$375 for 5000 delivered

100 in stock at time of posting

CCI SR No. 400 Primers Free Shipping & Haz - 5000ct - American Reloading

CCI Small Rifle No. 400 Primers OEM Packaging due to Availability Boxer, Non Corrosive Free Shipping & Hazmat

americanreloading.com

 

[edwea]

FYI, the shipping/tracking info is weird with American Reloading. You may get an update that the label has been made, and ready to ship then receive the package the next day. Don't know why it's weird with them, but they do ship promptly.

 

[indyblue]

I am at seven days and counting from my last order of primers.

No tracking or shipping info yet.
This is really making me nervous.

 

[dieselrealtor]

I am at seven days and counting from my last order of primers.

No tracking or shipping info yet.
This is really making me nervous.

I have ordered LOTS of things through them, received every order*, some in just a couple of days. Their hazmat seems to be delayed a bit, I haven't got my spp order yet but not worried about it.

* Only order I had an issue on was on one that I made the order & went out of town, asked them to delay shipping for a week or so (didn't want it on my porch while I was gone). It didn't get shipped, they apologized about the confusion & stated it was out of stock & gave me a refund. I figure someone saw it on a shelf & it got sold.

Had another order (fedex) that had come open & a few of the projos were missing, they promptly refunded that ammount. It was double shrink wrap bagged & still was crushed & popped open.

 

[indyblue]

I have ordered LOTS of things through them, received every order*, some in just a couple of days. Their hazmat seems to be delayed a bit, I haven't got my spp order yet but not worried about it.

* Only order I had an issue on was on one that I made the order & went out of town, asked them to delay shipping for a week or so (didn't want it on my porch while I was gone). It didn't get shipped, they apologized about the confusion & stated it was out of stock & gave me a refund. I figure someone saw it on a shelf & it got sold.

Had another order (fedex) that had come open & a few of the projos were missing, they promptly refunded that ammount. It was double shrink wrap bagged & still was crushed & popped open.

It’s good to know these people will get there s**t together eventually. This is my first order with them. I was really hoping it’s not a scam since the price is almost too good to be true.

I only made this order due to other INGOer‘s experiences documented here.

 

[Creedmoor]

I have ordered LOTS of things through them, received every order*, some in just a couple of days. Their hazmat seems to be delayed a bit, I haven't got my spp order yet but not worried about it.

* Only order I had an issue on was on one that I made the order & went out of town, asked them to delay shipping for a week or so (didn't want it on my porch while I was gone). It didn't get shipped, they apologized about the confusion & stated it was out of stock & gave me a refund. I figure someone saw it on a shelf & it got sold.

Had another order (fedex) that had come open & a few of the projos were missing, they promptly refunded that ammount. It was double shrink wrap bagged & still was crushed & popped open.

Awhile back I ordered a few cases of the Gink??? small rifle primers to see how they would do from American. When I though I was cutting off the outside box and the massive amount of tape. All they did was tape up the box the primers came in from the factory.
Hundreds of sm primers ended up on the floor. Wonderful.

Hazmat shipping and tracking came hard with them, I want to say it was 8-9 days and they arrived. The tracking was worthless.

Edit, I will say it was early on with the primer sillyness. And I'm sure they were overwhelmed like all the other vendors were.
I would order from them again if I thought the pricing was good enough.

 

[dieselrealtor]

Just got my tracking # for my primer order from American

 

[indyblue]

Just got my tracking # for my primer order from American

I ordered on the 21st and still no update.

But I’m getting plenty of their spam, hocking the rest of their products, I think that’s what pisses me off.

 

[Brian's Surplus]

I ordered on the 21st and still no update.

The entire industry is overwhelmed with orders. Shipping is delayed practically everywhere.

 

[dieselrealtor]

I ordered on the 21st and still no update.

But I’m getting plenty of their spam, hocking the rest of their products, I think that’s what pisses me off.

I ordered on the 19th, hopefully the packaging is better than CM's was.

 

[DadSmith]

The entire industry is overwhelmed with orders. Shipping is delayed practically everywhere.

I figured that when talk of ammo panic buying hit again.