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Fair summation of the "god" question.Well technically he didn’t blame god. He blamed people who have ideas he doesn’t like because of their belief in god.
He also doesn’t seem to accept that they’re doing “evil “things to children. I still think that a big part of the problem is that neither side is acknowledging the actual position the other person holds.
He doesn’t believe the activists are encouraging kids to explore a sexuality that they may not actually have. You guys aren’t advocating that needed medical care should be withheld from trans kids.
It’s pretty obvious that given a set of facts about what the right actually believe, he has tended to interpret them in the least charitable way. And I think there are a few here who have reciprocated that.
People that think medical assistance for transgender children is bad, are basically saying they think that they don't really exist. No amount hate, religious fervor or denial of science is going to change the fact that they exist and they need help. We don't deny children insulin because "god didn't make them that way".
To whomever said it: Please don't assume all LGBT people are enthused about some of the outrageous stuff that goes on at pride events. Also, healthy adults don't condone any indecent or sexual activity around minors. But here's a point of clarification: Two grown women holding hands is not "in your face" or "deviant sexual behavior". It is normal affection.
So, what kind of firearms do you have?Fair summation of the "god" question.
As a person who has suffered all manner of abuse from "Christians" "in the name of god", it is hard to be magnanimous with anyone who considers themselves religious.
It's she by the way. I'm responding to you because you have displayed some level intelligence and at least the appearance of listening. I do not believe giving children whatever medical treatment they need is evil. It is the opposite. Withholding medical care base on the superstitions and scientific awareness of bronze-age fairy tales is the real evil in my opinion. People used to think epilepsy was caused by witches or demonic possession or god's punishment. It seems like anti-trans people today have the same level of scientific sophistication.
People that think medical assistance for transgender children is bad, are basically saying they think that they don't really exist. No amount hate, religious fervor or denial of science is going to change the fact that they exist and they need help. We don't deny children insulin because "god didn't make them that way".
Acknowledging the existence of transgender children isn't "encouraging them to explore sexuality". It has nothing to do with sexuality.
It seems you still think this is left vs right thing. It is a medical thing. I don't think I have said "all of the right" about anything. But generally speaking, that's where anti-trans hate is coming from. Just today Jordan Peterson threw an epic temper tantrum because he's not welcome to spew his hate on someone else's social media platform.
It looks to me like another case of someone crying oppression because the particular bigotry they support is now outdated. I have been around a long time and this looks to me just like the weeping and wailing that happened with civil rights, for women, non-whites and gay people.
To whomever said it: Please don't assume all LGBT people are enthused about some of the outrageous stuff that goes on at pride events. Also, healthy adults don't condone any indecent or sexual activity around minors. But here's a point of clarification: Two grown women holding hands is not "in your face" or "deviant sexual behavior". It is normal affection.
It has nothing to do with religion. It has everything to do with pedophilia.
Fair summation of the "god" question.
As a person who has suffered all manner of abuse from "Christians" "in the name of god", it is hard to be magnanimous with anyone who considers themselves religious.
It's she by the way. I'm responding to you because you have displayed some level intelligence and at least the appearance of listening. I do not believe giving children whatever medical treatment they need is evil. It is the opposite. Withholding medical care base on the superstitions and scientific awareness of bronze-age fairy tales is the real evil in my opinion. People used to think epilepsy was caused by witches or demonic possession or god's punishment. It seems like anti-trans people today have the same level of scientific sophistication.
People that think medical assistance for transgender children is bad, are basically saying they think that they don't really exist. No amount hate, religious fervor or denial of science is going to change the fact that they exist and they need help. We don't deny children insulin because "god didn't make them that way".
Acknowledging the existence of transgender children isn't "encouraging them to explore sexuality". It has nothing to do with sexuality.
It seems you still think this is left vs right thing. It is a medical thing. I don't think I have said "all of the right" about anything. But generally speaking, that's where anti-trans hate is coming from. Just today Jordan Peterson threw an epic temper tantrum because he's not welcome to spew his hate on someone else's social media platform.
It looks to me like another case of someone crying oppression because the particular bigotry they support is now outdated. I have been around a long time and this looks to me just like the weeping and wailing that happened with civil rights, for women, non-whites and gay people.
To whomever said it: Please don't assume all LGBT people are enthused about some of the outrageous stuff that goes on at pride events. Also, healthy adults don't condone any indecent or sexual activity around minors. But here's a point of clarification: Two grown women holding hands is not "in your face" or "deviant sexual behavior". It is normal affection.
Your “anti trans” “medical treatment denial” is another’s “demanding elective surgery for the children of parents who have brainwashed them”.Fair summation of the "god" question.
As a person who has suffered all manner of abuse from "Christians" "in the name of god", it is hard to be magnanimous with anyone who considers themselves religious.
It's she by the way. I'm responding to you because you have displayed some level intelligence and at least the appearance of listening. I do not believe giving children whatever medical treatment they need is evil. It is the opposite. Withholding medical care base on the superstitions and scientific awareness of bronze-age fairy tales is the real evil in my opinion. People used to think epilepsy was caused by witches or demonic possession or god's punishment. It seems like anti-trans people today have the same level of scientific sophistication.
People that think medical assistance for transgender children is bad, are basically saying they think that they don't really exist. No amount hate, religious fervor or denial of science is going to change the fact that they exist and they need help. We don't deny children insulin because "god didn't make them that way".
Acknowledging the existence of transgender children isn't "encouraging them to explore sexuality". It has nothing to do with sexuality.
It seems you still think this is left vs right thing. It is a medical thing. I don't think I have said "all of the right" about anything. But generally speaking, that's where anti-trans hate is coming from. Just today Jordan Peterson threw an epic temper tantrum because he's not welcome to spew his hate on someone else's social media platform.
It looks to me like another case of someone crying oppression because the particular bigotry they support is now outdated. I have been around a long time and this looks to me just like the weeping and wailing that happened with civil rights, for women, non-whites and gay people.
To whomever said it: Please don't assume all LGBT people are enthused about some of the outrageous stuff that goes on at pride events. Also, healthy adults don't condone any indecent or sexual activity around minors. But here's a point of clarification: Two grown women holding hands is not "in your face" or "deviant sexual behavior". It is normal affection.
You give them WAY to much credit. 8 is old by their standards.Denying "necessary" medical care might have more weight, if it weren't for people that regretted what they did.
So now, do something to an 8 year old, and then later, the kid wants to kill themself because some idiot thought they should change.
If an 9 year old thinks he is a one legged pirate, do you amputate the leg?
Mental illness has no boundariesYou give them WAY to much credit. 8 is old by their standards.
Charlize Theron
In 2019, Charlize Theron revealed that one of her children had come out to her as trans when she was just 3 years old, and Charlize did not hesitate to believe her when she said that she was born as the wrong gender.
Some cultures think it's "medically necessary" to mutilate the genitals of young girls so they don't stray from the husbands they are assigned at age 13 or 14.Denying "necessary" medical care might have more weight, if it weren't for people that regretted what they did.
So now, do something to an 8 year old, and then later, the kid wants to kill themself because some idiot thought they should change.
If an 9 year old thinks he is a one legged pirate, do you amputate the leg?
But isn't this the same kind of thinking? I've been a religious person. I've been around religious people in the past and I am around religious people in the present. Some are awesome. Some are not. It's been my experience that the religion doesn't make the asshat. The the person does. To an asshat, religion is just a tool. Surely you've run into people in your world that are not religious and are asshats. That's just the way it is. Some Christians live their beliefs to do good. Some Christians use their beliefs as a club to beat up the people they don't like. If those same people weren't Christians they'd manifest their ass in some other way.Fair summation of the "god" question.
As a person who has suffered all manner of abuse from "Christians" "in the name of god", it is hard to be magnanimous with anyone who considers themselves religious.
Okay. I'm sorry I did not pick up on that. It's rare that women engage in these kinds of discussions on INGO. Sometimes I think, even if they're reading this stuff, they're sitting back laughing at us.It's she by the way.
Maybe I might address some of the religious stuff in another post. But to address the ideas about trans, a couple of things here. I'm really interested in understanding this worldview, because it's very foreign. To be honest, it challenges me to take it seriously. From what you've said here and elsewhere, you believe that laws restricting what you characterize as "medical care for children" are wrong, and are hurting children. You've characterized the right-wing as "killing trans". You've also expressed that your views on male/female is based on current science. And you've expressed that this is not a political viewpoint.I'm responding to you because you have displayed some level intelligence and at least the appearance of listening. I do not believe giving children whatever medical treatment they need is evil. It is the opposite. Withholding medical care base on the superstitions and scientific awareness of bronze-age fairy tales is the real evil in my opinion. People used to think epilepsy was caused by witches or demonic possession or god's punishment. It seems like anti-trans people today have the same level of scientific sophistication.
No. I don't believe they don't exist. And I don't classify that as "medical assistance". I classify it as "medical intervention", which medical intervention for anything isn't bad in itself. But I do believe that a large number of kids end up on this path that would otherwise grow out of it, or, they end up being worse off, because of the high risk of complications for the medical intervention.People that think medical assistance for transgender children is bad, are basically saying they think that they don't really exist.
I think there's a problem we both have. I said I don't understand your worldview, and that I want to understand it. You obviously do not understand their worldview either. I think I got the gist of your "god" issues correct as you expressed it to them. You said as much. I also think I understand their perspective on trans as well. For most Christians, I would say there's no hate towards trans people. There's skepticism. And I think that's fair to be skeptical of it. You classify it as denial of science, but they think it's a denial of science when you claim it's "denying medical treatments" as if it's akin to denying insulin to a child with type 1 diabetes. Those aren't even in the same scientific realm. One is a medically controversial treatment given to kids whose condition is difficult to diagnose accurately because it depends so much on knowing how they actually feel.No amount hate, religious fervor or denial of science is going to change the fact that they exist and they need help. We don't deny children insulin because "god didn't make them that way".
No, it does have to do with sexuality. But that's probably not the most accurate way to describe what I'm trying to say. You can acknowledge the existence of transgender children. I do think that gender dysphoria can happen in youth. I also strongly think that it is over-diagnosed. It seems like there's an eagerness for transgender activists to see someone who might be having a hard time going through puberty, and try to encourage them to think that maybe they're really a different sex. And the idea that biological sex isn't a thing, would tend to make those judgements extraordinarily inaccurate. So young and impressionable children might tend to believe the adults who assure them that they know what they're talking about. And then go along with medical interventions that are not very reversible.Acknowledging the existence of transgender children isn't "encouraging them to explore sexuality". It has nothing to do with sexuality.
It seems you still think this is left vs right thing. It is a medical thing. I don't think I have said "all of the right" about anything. But generally speaking, that's where anti-trans hate is coming from.
Just today Jordan Peterson threw an epic temper tantrum because he's not welcome to spew his hate on someone else's social media platform.
What he's saying is not outdated. And I think the anger you feel towards what you think he's saying is unwarranted. It's not the same thing as the civil rights movement. I think what's happening now with the culture war won't resolve like civil rights did. People will not accept the left worldview. It's gone far beyond what reality can support. This is indeed a left/right thing). You just think that the worldview you have is real, and that the people on the right are the ones whose worldviews aren't real. Well, what is actually science, you're calling old thinking. What makes you think that your "new" thinking is real and not just an ideologically based worldview?It looks to me like another case of someone crying oppression because the particular bigotry they support is now outdated. I have been around a long time and this looks to me just like the weeping and wailing that happened with civil rights, for women, non-whites and gay people.
To whomever said it: Please don't assume all LGBT people are enthused about some of the outrageous stuff that goes on at pride events. Also, healthy adults don't condone any indecent or sexual activity around minors. But here's a point of clarification: Two grown women holding hands is not "in your face" or "deviant sexual behavior". It is normal affection.
@Epicenity, I mean this kind of thing happens. Do you really believe that a child that's 3 years old can come out as trans? Kids don't really understand what boys and girls are at that age to a sufficient level to even know what it means to come out as trans. It's like today it's like a trend. A badge of honor to have a trans kid, so every progressive parent grooms their own kids to be something that will earn them their merit badge for being the proud parent of a trans.You give them WAY to much credit. 8 is old by their standards.
Charlize Theron
In 2019, Charlize Theron revealed that one of her children had come out to her as trans when she was just 3 years old, and Charlize did not hesitate to believe her when she said that she was born as the wrong gender.
Denying "necessary" medical care would carry more wight if it were more objectively held throughout the medical community as a safe and effective treatment.Denying "necessary" medical care might have more weight, if it weren't for people that regretted what they did.
So now, do something to an 8 year old, and then later, the kid wants to kill themself because some idiot thought they should change.
If an 9 year old thinks he is a one legged pirate, do you amputate the leg?
Munchausen syndrome by proxyYou give them WAY to much credit. 8 is old by their standards.
Charlize Theron
In 2019, Charlize Theron revealed that one of her children had come out to her as trans when she was just 3 years old, and Charlize did not hesitate to believe her when she said that she was born as the wrong gender.