Politically Motivated Violence Thread PART 2

[Cameramonkey]

So.....I'm not seeing how this was a BLM inspired attack, other than the author's rush to judgement. The news reports I have read indicate that a motive is still being sought.

Give me a break. You know damn good and well if some Skinny, pasty white boy was caught on his way shoot up a rib joint or Nation of Islam church, it would be considered a racist attack.

Oh, that’s right. I forgot. Black folk simply cannot be racist. Only Whitey can.

 

[jamil]

So.....I'm not seeing how this was a BLM inspired attack, other than the author's rush to judgement. The news reports I have read indicate that a motive is still being sought.

When you spread the idea that all white people are inherently racists, it’s like they have a virus, they just can’t help themselves, they’re hopeless and irredeemable, ya know? There will be people who will believe it, and will act upon that. That seems quite inspirational.

 

[BigRed]

https://twitter.com/LASDHQ/status/1304993095725932545?s=20

Some thug just walked up to 2 cops in LA and shot them while they were sitting in their car...

That's the video of it happening.

I've said it before, I will say it again....

Burn, Loot, Murder can take its bull**** slogan, cram it up its ass until it comes out its throat, and go straight to Hell.

 

[2A_Tom]

So.....I'm not seeing how this was a BLM inspired attack, other than the author's rush to judgement. The news reports I have read indicate that a motive is still being sought.

Yeah that was the first thing I quoted.

I find it rather dubious to believe race had nothing to do with this.

If race is at the heart of this, what would be the contributing factors? Things that make the don't rush to judgement crow go, duh, ida no.

The same people here that seem to know the mindset of every white person that does anything wrong.

 

[OakRiver]

Give me a break. You know damn good and well if some Skinny, pasty white boy was caught on his way shoot up a rib joint or Nation of Islam church, it would be considered a racist attack.

Oh, that’s right. I forgot. Black folk simply cannot be racist. Only Whitey can.

I really don't know how you got that conclusion from what I posted.

Just because certain people rush to judgement about motivations based on the color of a person's skin, or other characteristics, does not mean that everyone has to. I'll ask again, what actually suggests that this was "BLM inspired"?

When you spread the idea that all white people are inherently racists, it’s like they have a virus, they just can’t help themselves, they’re hopeless and irredeemable, ya know? There will be people who will believe it, and will act upon that. That seems quite inspirational.

And we know that this individual believed that ideology, and acted upon it? Or was there a leap of logic in the rush to judgement?

 

[DoggyDaddy]

I really don't know how you got that conclusion from what I posted.

Just because certain people rush to judgement about motivations based on the color of a person's skin, or other characteristics, does not mean that everyone has to. I'll ask again, what actually suggests that this was "BLM inspired"?



And we know that this individual believed that ideology, and acted upon it? Or was there a leap of logic in the rush to judgement?

I assumed he was talking about what was claimed in the article (opinion piece):

"Here’s a suggestion for the possible motive: a summer marinating in anti-white news, where the Black Lives Matter narrative and pervasive idea of systemic racism and white privilege is now the motivation for an alarming number of black on white attacks across the nation."


Note, the author of the opinion piece doesn't present it as fact, just as a possible motivation.

 

[jamil]

I really don't know how you got that conclusion from what I posted.

Just because certain people rush to judgement about motivations based on the color of a person's skin, or other characteristics, does not mean that everyone has to. I'll ask again, what actually suggests that this was "BLM inspired"?



And we know that this individual believed that ideology, and acted upon it? Or was there a leap of logic in the rush to judgement?

I’m not saying he did. But if I were a betting man that’s where I’m laying my chips.

 

[actaeon277]

I don't want to be judged based on a group.
I'm going to try no to judge others based on a group.

 

[OakRiver]

I assumed he was talking about what was claimed in the article (opinion piece):

"Here’s a suggestion for the possible motive: a summer marinating in anti-white news, where the Black Lives Matter narrative and pervasive idea of systemic racism and white privilege is now the motivation for an alarming number of black on white attacks across the nation."

Note, the author of the opinion piece doesn't present it as fact, just as a possible motivation.

A possible motive, but absent any actual evidence it is one of countless speculative motivations.

This reflexive, Rorschach test of unclear circumstances serves no useful purpose but to needlessly inflame passions. It very well could be the reason, but I'll wait until I see something concrete before I rush to judgement based on uncertain facts. Otherwise that is the same behavior that resulted in the witch hunts against Nicholas Sandman and Kyle Rittenhouse.

 

[OakRiver]

I don't want to be judged based on a group.
I'm going to try no to judge others based on a group.

Pretty much.

Once you start seeing people as "others" it is much easier to justify cruelty to them, and judge an entire group by the worst of their behaviors. I don't want judged by the actions of Dylan Roof. Why would I judge others based on this individual?

As facts change I am more than happy to revise and adjust my position.

 

[OakRiver]

The comments are disgusting. Freaking lowlife animals.

If you think that is bad you should see the videos of the bystanders just after the incident.

Side note, the female officer is a bada**. After being shot through the jaw she was able to call in the attack, and apply a tourniquet to her partner.

 

[jamil]

Pretty much.

Once you start seeing people as "others" it is much easier to justify cruelty to them, and judge an entire group by the worst of their behaviors. I don't want judged by the actions of Dylan Roof. Why would I judge others based on this individual?

As facts change I am more than happy to revise and adjust my position.

Hold on. You are seriously lecturing people for judging/othering? Aren't you judging? And if you are, it doesn't really bother me other than the hypocrisy of accusing others of judging while you're sitting there banging out moral plattitudes from your keyboard. No one's **** needs to be lost on this. You're judging people for "othering", which in my judgment is **** when "othering" is only one of countless speculative motivations.

I take a look at all the information available, especially in the context of the current political climate, and speculate that the motivation is more likely to be A rather than B, C, and D, THAT's not "othering". And there's nothing immoral or racist about doing that. I'm not inclined to sit here and be judged by you. Judge yourself.

 

[Phase2]

Just saw this. Looks like it is an ongoing series in case anyone wants to follow it.

Washington Free Beacon: This Week in Leftist Violence and Intimidation Vol. 3

 

[OakRiver]

Hold on. You are seriously lecturing people for judging/othering? Aren't you judging? And if you are, it doesn't really bother me other than the hypocrisy of accusing others of judging while you're sitting there banging out moral plattitudes from your keyboard. No one's **** needs to be lost on this. You're judging people for "othering", which in my judgment is **** when "othering" is only one of countless speculative motivations.

I take a look at all the information available, especially in the context of the current political climate, and speculate that the motivation is more likely to be A rather than B, C, and D, THAT's not "othering". And there's nothing immoral or racist about doing that. I'm not inclined to sit here and be judged by you. Judge yourself.

As a "physician heal thyself" rant I've seen better. But you are coming close to "the lady doth protest too much".

If you want to take offense at what you thought I said, and try to find some meaning that isn't there, please take as much offense as you can mange, it is free after all.

No one on this forum was accused of othering. If you want to read what I actually said, about not rushing to judgement based on unclear motivations, and not judging an entire group of people simply because they share some similar characteristics, you might find that your "gotcha" isn't a gotcha at all.

 

[Mikey1911]

Just saw this. Looks like it is an ongoing series in case anyone wants to follow it.

Washington Free Beacon: This Week in Leftist Violence and Intimidation Vol. 3

Kind of the Anarchist successor to “This Week in Pro Football”, in the days before ESPN and the Internet.

Maybe they can get Omar and AOC to take the places of Tom Brookshier and Pat Summerall?

 

[BugI02]

A possible motive, but absent any actual evidence it is one of countless speculative motivations.

This reflexive, Rorschach test of unclear circumstances serves no useful purpose but to needlessly inflame passions. It very well could be the reason, but I'll wait until I see something concrete before I rush to judgement based on uncertain facts. Otherwise that is the same behavior that resulted in the witch hunts against Nicholas Sandman and Kyle Rittenhouse.

So, one must suppose that in December of 2019, when David Anderson and Francine Graham drove to the only jewish deli in their neighborhood and immediately attacked it and its patrons with long guns, that no motive for the attack can be determined because both perps were killed. Despite the fact that they were linked to the Black Israelites, since we lack testimony or hard evidence, the motive must be forever indeterminate? Sigh

 

[BugI02]

As a "physician heal thyself" rant I've seen better. But you are coming close to "the lady doth protest too much".

If you want to take offense at what you thought I said, and try to find some meaning that isn't there, please take as much offense as you can mange, it is free after all.

No one on this forum was accused of othering. If you want to read what I actually said, about not rushing to judgement based on unclear motivations, and not judging an entire group of people simply because they share some similar characteristics, you might find that your "gotcha" isn't a gotcha at all.

So, during the troubles, if a bomb was exploded in Ulster or Belfast did you say to yourself 'I don't have enough information to attribute blame for this incident, I must await further evidence'?

 

[jamil]

As a "physician heal thyself" rant I've seen better. But you are coming close to "the lady doth protest too much".

If you want to take offense at what you thought I said, and try to find some meaning that isn't there, please take as much offense as you can mange, it is free after all.

No one on this forum was accused of othering. If you want to read what I actually said, about not rushing to judgement based on unclear motivations, and not judging an entire group of people simply because they share some similar characteristics, you might find that your "gotcha" isn't a gotcha at all.

But I did read what you said. I just read it again. It seemed to me that the following quote reveals your reasoning for the pushback towards those who rebutted your initial complaint. You thought the article had rushed to judgement. Other people thought it was reasonable. And about the article, other than the title being a bit click-baity, the main point of the article, was not that it WAS THE motive, but a suggestion that all the racist rhetoric from BLM all summer might just point at a motive. And that's a fair point.

Act said he didn't want to be judged, so he's not gonna judge. Fair enough. We all understand that concept. But I don't a reason why the following sermonette on othering/judging applies to this conversation.

Pretty much.

Once you start seeing people as "others" it is much easier to justify cruelty to them, and judge an entire group by the worst of their behaviors. I don't want judged by the actions of Dylan Roof. Why would I judge others based on this individual?

As facts change I am more than happy to revise and adjust my position.

I don't see this as applicable. I dunno. Maybe you were just saying it. Because no one is othering or justifying any cruelty. No one is judging an entire group by the worst of their behaviors. No one is judging anyone else by the actions of this individual. That whole line seems out of place in this discussion. So it just comes off as preachy. Maybe I came off harshly, but I'm just saying, hold the **** on. No one here or even in that article needed this preached at them so why is that something that needed said?

And it's not morally wrong to wonder, absent of a motive, given the information we have, to talk about possible motives, especially the one that might be inconventient to BLM--the organization--after spreading their racist nonsense. It's not wrong to speculate even that that could even be a leading motive. As I said, if I'm a betting man, my money is on that one. But of course, later discovered facts could make some other bet the winner. And that's fine too. It seemed that you were wagging a finger at INGO when people agreed with the article. No fingers needed wagged.

 

[jamil]

So, one must suppose that in December of 2019, when David Anderson and Francine Graham drove to the only jewish deli in their neighborhood and immediately attacked it and its patrons with long guns, that no motive for the attack can be determined because both perps were killed. Despite the fact that they were linked to the Black Israelites, since we lack testimony or hard evidence, the motive must be forever indeterminate? Sigh

Well, in fairness, we don't know if the guy here was linked to any militant group. The smoking gun there was their link to the Black Israelites. But, I think it's still fair to suspect the BLM racist rhetoric has some impact given everything else.

 

[jamil]

So, during the troubles, if a bomb was exploded in Ulster or Belfast did you say to yourself 'I don't have enough information to attribute blame for this incident, I must await further evidence'?

Again, I think it's fair to await further evidence for a definitive motive. But it's certainly fair to strongly suspect it.