Don’t think he had much to do with modern powders or modern bullet tech. I could be mistaken…..cause I am often. But in this case I’ll stand pat.
Truly correct, but my point, small tho it was. The advancement in chemical engineering and bullet jacketing is what I was talking about. Heck the advancement in bullet jackets alone in the last 25 years would have given JB a whole different world to work with. I only wish he and a few other old timers could be with us now.View attachment 331591
The acp family isn’t perfect. But they don’t seem to be going away. Even with modern attempts to replace (32 NAA, 30 super carry, 400 cor bon, 45 super) , they still seem to hold their own.
His 35 caliber pistol cartridges didn’t seem to do well. But for good reason, 9x19 really was superior to 9mm long and 38 acp.
380 still seems to still have a place due to its ability to be in a much smaller lighter gun than 9x19.
I get your point, it's just that saying that a man the nearly single handedly moved an entire industry a century ahead in ALL AREAS: design, function, ammunition, manufacturing, etc is "limited by technology" seems incredulous to the man's legacy.Truly correct, but my point, small tho it was. The advancement in chemical engineering and bullet jacketing is what I was talking about. Heck the advancement in bullet jackets alone in the last 25 years would have given JB a whole different world to work with. I only wish he and a few other old timers could be with us now.
That's gorgeous. How's that carry? I'm thinking of an lcp2 in .380 for a pocket carry.Picture thread:
Me.I get your point, it's just that saying that a man the nearly single handedly moved an entire industry a century ahead in ALL AREAS: design, function, ammunition, manufacturing, etc is "limited by technology" seems incredulous to the man's legacy.
John Moses Browning was not limited by technology because when he came up against a technical or engineering issue he just invented everything around it necessary to make it work.
He created entirely new cartridges to fit his guns, he created new guns to fit existing and improved ammunition. He invented both at the same time...
There wasn't a repeating shotgun before Browning, there wasn't a semi auto shotgun until Browning. If he didn't invent the first semi auto pistol he certainly refined it into designs that have stood for over 100 years and most modern designs still copy the short recoil action and tilting barrel that he invented.
Okay I'll quit beating this horse. Carry on
Thanks!That's gorgeous. How's that carry? I'm thinking of an lcp2 in .380 for a pocket carry.
Whew! Those Colt 1903 and 1908's are pricey.Thanks!
I haven't carried it for a good while, there's better carry options that I have but none that are as pretty. This example is in .32acp and is just an absolute joy to shoot. I haven't shot the .380 version but I have a Sig Sauer P230 that is chambered in .380 and its such a sweet gun as well.
Last I looked it was around $500 for a serviceable example. I put quite a lot of work into mine, it was pretty rusty with zero finish left. I parkerized it, and I really like how it turned out with the walnut grips.Whew! Those Colt 1903 and 1908's are pricey.
Okay, the 1903 is cheaper. Cheapest 1908 on gunbroker that wasn't the vest pocket, was 1000.Last I looked it was around $500 for a serviceable example. I put quite a lot of work into mine, it was pretty rusty with zero finish left. I parkerized it, and I really like how it turned out with the walnut grips.
Ive thought the same thing about Charles Newton. Its clear that cartridge developers ideas pre WWII were often limited by the early powders. Certain cartridges were wildcatted back then but didnt really get the boost in efficiency until better powders later.Truly correct, but my point, small tho it was. The advancement in chemical engineering and bullet jacketing is what I was talking about. Heck the advancement in bullet jackets alone in the last 25 years would have given JB a whole different world to work with. I only wish he and a few other old timers could be with us now.
I had the P238 in nickel and I am still kicking myself for selling it.
I like the Blackwood grips way better on my 2 tone P238. Some will argue that the CM9 is not a pocket pistol. I tend to agree, but others say it is, so I included them anyways. Sorry but no pics of my snubbies by themselves. One is a 605, the other an 85. Sorry I cannot make my pictures bigger from home.
.25 acp ARMI GALESI... cool mouse gun, works well.
I have an LCP2 that I pocket carry all the time, especially in the summer. It came with a soft pocket holster that works surprising well. I even pocket carry it in athletic/gym shorts. Keep my slim wallet in the same pocket on the outside, which prevents printing, but doesn’t get in the way of drawing. I also got an extra 7 round mag that I will sometimes carry in a neomag clip when I want more firepower. 6+1+7That's gorgeous. How's that carry? I'm thinking of an lcp2 in .380 for a pocket carry.
The original LCP could have been considered a rip off of the p3at, but the LCP2 is such a huge upgrade. Way better than that heavy long d/a trigger.Ive thought the same thing about Charles Newton. Its clear that cartridge developers ideas pre WWII were often limited by the early powders. Certain cartridges were wildcatted back then but didnt really get the boost in efficiency until better powders later.
I'm not sure how this relates to pistol cartridges or if it had anything to do with the ACP cartridges all being relatively low pressure rounds. I've always thought they should have been higher to begin with, but I'd hate to step on JMBs toes!
Pics to keep it a pic thread. My very short lived kel tec p3at. Got me hooked on pocket guns, took me no time at all to trade up and get started on my Ruger LCPs
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Ive heard it said that the LCP was a rip off of the P3AT. Based on how they are built I'd agree. But Ruger did it much better IMHO.