For me they are of no use. Like a rifle a shotgun has to have a stock to be of any use. Yes I know one in a hundred people can learn to shot one well. Lets be real about this. Any one shooting a pistol grip shotgun well will do better with a stock on it. The idea of bringing a gun to a fight is to be able to use it. The better you can use it the better your chances are of coming out on the other side with all your parts.