How come we never see any women with an opinion in these threads?
I thought 88gt posted.
She may have a problem with your statement.
How come we never see any women with an opinion in these threads?
I thought 88gt posted.
She may have a problem with your statement.
The problem isn't in opening the special services to both sexes, it is in the inevitable lowering of standards to provide "reasonable" accommodation.
If they would (knowing they probably won't) keep the standards up, then it wouldn't matter who came in so long as they met the standard.
So the concern seems to be mostly about standards, and to some extent, tradition.
Does anyone know of instances where the standards have actually been lowered to allow women to do jobs traditionally done by men?
Is there a reasonable expectation that the standards would be lowered if/when they find no women could meet the current standards?
If the standards remain the same then why worry? If women can meet the current standards, they are qualified to do the job. Period.
If they can't meet the current standards, then those of you who oppose it on the basis of "tradition" can rest easy knowing that women will not be SEALs/Rangers.
Navy seals and other special units have to learn how not to cough...and control other body function...could give up your cover...a man can pee quietly. A woman on her period would leave a trail of where she has been by disposing of her personal hygiene products. Evening peeing on a mission would become a problem. Gross I know. But men and woman are built different and woman would cause many problems men don't.How is thus destroying our military? If they can do the job why should they be excluded?
I have a friend who is trying out for our SWAT team. If she passes the school and get chosen she would be the first female in our long history to be on SWAT. She runs circles around the fittest guys in the process (and they are really good). She is a small gal but drug that 200lb dummy without hesitation. I think she will make a fine SWAT officer, she has to pass the same physical standards as the males, hell the males might need lower standards to keep up with her...haha. She is FAR from alone in this world and I see no problem with giving female the SAME opportunities as the males. No need to lower the standards. BTW, she still looks like a female even with her 3% body fat.
Like I said, I was a Ranger and let me tell you, most men don't want to do it. I think you may have 1 or 2 women that may want to give it a try. I say put them through pre ranger training first (it was called ranger indoctrination program or RIP when I was in) and if they can meet the same standard, then off to ranger school.
Navy seals and other special units have to learn how not to cough...and control other body function...could and give up your cover...a man can pee quietly. A woman on her period would leave a trail of where she has been by disposing of her personal hygiene products. Evening peeing on a mission would become a problem. Gross I know. But men and woman are built different and woman would cause many problems men don't.
I thought 88gt posted.
She may have a problem with your statement.
I should have said 'many' rather than 'any'. Either way, I say let 'em try out under the same standards and qualifications. I'm in the camp that thinks almost none could make it. However, even if that's the case, let that be what holds them back. If they really can't hack it, it will be a non-issue. The problem will sort itself out.
If I'm wrong and some can hang, and aren't holding anyone back, no loss. Right now its all just a lot of talk. I'd like to see how it really works in practice.
I have read post after post about how far they can walk or how much weight they can pickup on and on. That is not what war is about. War is about breaking things and killing people. Both are easier to do from 10,000 feet.
My point, can you (man/woman) do it at very close range - hand to hand? Push cold steel in another human? Maybe that is why we have so much PTS. They could walk and pickup weight, but could they kill?
How do they know the men they put through the program can kill? My understanding is that part of that is the training they undergo, so why would it be different for women? The men have to meet certain expectations, so if a woman can do the same then let them in.
If this is such a great idea , why aren't the folks in those communities asking for women in their units ?
They're an intelligent bunch and I'm sure that if they thought that women in their ranks was a good idea , they'd be there .
They will do what they always do to remain politically correct.
They will simply lower the standards so that women can make it.
Uh, you know that women have been attached to a number of SF units already, right? They DID ask because in the ME it is taboo for male strangers to talk to women.
Really?
Cause SWAT in a civilized country for limited endurance timeframes is SO much like long term ops in an unfriendly country.
Did you really just compare SWAT to Seals? OMG.....
Swat is a walk in the park when comparing it to special forces.