It's simple really.
Just because it's legal doesn't mean you shouldn't have cops pointing weapons at you, screaming profanities at you, threatening you, making you kneel, making you put your hands above your head, detaining you, handcuffing you, putting you in a confined area (paddy wagon), lecturing you, and asking questions in loud voices then not letting you answer.
But then, that sounds like all the reasons you don't do something that's illegal.
Maybe I don't understand after all.
Let me get this straight, so you're saying, "to hell with the law, if some people don't like it, it's the same as being illegal?" Because that sure sounds like that's what you're saying. If he has a license, open carry is legal in Philadelphia, regardless of what the police or anyone else think.
I just listened to the recording, idiot Philadelphia cops.
I can't see a link to the article or clip that you are discussing? Where can I see the video. From the sound of it, I think it is something that I should see. Thanks
I seriously hate cops. Let there be anarchy, we will be better off.
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....In Pa you need a license to carry a concealed firearm however there is a loophole in the law that states you do not need any licensing to carry openly. Now I know this is not the law it is not how the law is written but this is how it is. If you want to carry openly, only do so on your own property, outside of your own land or outside of while you are like deer hunting if you want to carry a pistol you better have a permit, and you had better carry concealed. No one other than the police open carry in Pa. For that matter no one carries concealed unless they are a bounty hunter or a process server or someone that deems a need to, like I drop off the deposit after work every night. Open carry is not accepted socially and the mind for the need of it does not exist. So yea you dont need a license to open carry in Pa. But I will guarantee you if you try to do it you better have deep pockets to prove your case in court.. Indiana's Law is just as screwed up. You dont need an LTCH to purchase a handgun or to transport that handgun home, However once its in your home you cant do anything with it outside of your home until you get an LTCH and the ability to make the initial purchase has no bearing on rather or not you qualify for an LTCH....
I hold a Pennsylvania law license, as well as an Indiana license. In Pennsylvania, in most of the state, it is legal to open carry without a license. The exception to open carry without a license is in "cities of the first class" (over 1 million in population) which includes ONLY Philadelphia. In cities of the first class, a license to carry handgun is necessary for legal open or concealed carry. In the rest of the state a license is only required for concealed carry. Both Indiana and Pennsylvania are "shall issue" licensing states meaning that unless the issuing agency can show a statutory reason for denial, they must issue the license. I don't know when you left PA, but 25 years or so ago, things were different. Before the law was changed, it was entirely up to the county sheriff whether to issue a license and was a source of graft and political rewards. It different now, and there is a very politically active carry movement that has improved the law greatly.
I particularly enjoyed the technique where they asked him questions and then interupted to argue before he'd even finished his sentence.
dross, it's called baiting. Very old cop trick to provoke you into arguing and then they pound you for "fighting".
Ask the individual a question, refuse to allow him to answer, ask another question, refuse that answer and sooner or later those not so acclimated to police techniques will be upset.
You don't understand. I've heard Philadelphia cops say 10 times worse to people and throw 'em in a paddy wagon for looking cross-eyed at 'em. What's all this about rights? Pansy.
Kinda' brings up the question of which is worser - someone who breaks an existing law, or someone who enforces a law that doesn't exist.
Wouldn't it be much more worser not to try to get him on something? (I'm sure T. Lex will back that up.) Spacco il capo!
Update: Mark Fiorino found a lawyer to take his case. He has set up a fundraiser to help pay for his legal fees for both his criminal defense and a civil suit. The ACLU has also expressed some interest in his case.
But, lo and behold, a couple days ago (2 months after the incident), 5 cops showed up at his place of work with a warrant for his arrest. He was not at work, and so was able to contact a lawyer and then give himself up. He has been charged with disorderly conduct and reckless endangerment. He spent some time in jail — it's hard to tell how long, but it seems to have been less than 24 hours.
It's hard to believe that he was charged with DC and RE, considering he was polite and kept his legally-carried firearm in its holster. The cops, on the other hand, drew and pointed their guns at him, and shouted obscenities & berated him. No charges against them.
(The above was gleaned from the PAFOA web site. I have no firsthand knowledge of any of this.)