Obamacare: Say goodnight, Gracie...

[gregr]

At the risk of inviting a total derail, none of those things listed are really impeachable offenses. In fact, "refusal to enforce" is a fundamental option for an executive in the government.

And "crimes against America" isn't even a thing.

 

[BugI02]

Meaning of "High Crimes and Misdemeanors"

By my reading everyone is impeachable, or no one is

 

[ArcadiaGP]

After all the treason America dealt with over the past eight years, there is no way trump can be impeached. If Fast and Furious, Benghazi, and the refusal to enforce sovereign U.S. law on illegals, just to nmae a few, aren`t enough to get a sitting president tried and convicted of crimes against America, nothing is.

At the risk of inviting a total derail, none of those things listed are really impeachable offenses. In fact, "refusal to enforce" is a fundamental option for an executive in the government.

And "crimes against America" isn't even a thing.

**** lex you just got hit with the eyeroll. ball is back in your court.

 

[T.Lex]

**** lex you just got hit with the eyeroll. ball is back in your court.

An eye roll?

Dude.

This is INGO.

That didn't even make it over the net.

 

[Dddrees]

When the electorate put Barry back in the big boy chair for #2 term I felt this way.

Think of what we would have if Billary had won. Give it some thought and get back with us.

Actually there were a number of other viable alternatives during the Republican Primary besides this guy. He is after all the one who stated that the National Enquirer deserved to be a Pulitzer Prize winning paper and Ted Cruze's father was part of the conspiarcy to kill JFK. Oh and didn't he say one of our longest and closest allies (UK) worked with Obama to wire tap his phone? Oh yeah, that kind of crap really endears us to our allies. His America first policy could very well be America only if he keeps it up. Regardless how you feel populism only goes so far and time has proven allies are not only important they are necessary for survival. Oh heck, what other lies and conspiracy theories have I failed to mention. Mexico's check for the wall is in the mail and the Chinese are responsible for starting the global warming conspiracy. Oh and his answer after being questioned by Time Magazine about his lying was eventually "I'm President and your not". How about the one where he said that I could walk outside and kill somebody and my supporters wouldn't mind. What a S*** show.

Funny how so many on the Right are propping up and making unintelligible excuses for his behavior. Besides this is someone who has always been, always donated too, and always expressed liberal ideas prior to jumping over to the Right. This was by no means as much an ideology switch or change of mind as it was strictly someone who found an opportunity to win the Presidency.

One doesn't have to be Right, Left, or even middle to recognize how screwed up this guy is. One just has to open their eyes and be honest with yourself. I thought this kind of stuff was reserved for some third world island nation somewhere. Never in my wildest nightmares did I ever think an idiot who not only doesn't like to read but doesn't even read emails could ever become the leader of the Free World. By god, go with your gut because by no means does he have any clue as to what he is doing.

 

[bwframe]

Actually there were a number of other viable alternatives during the Republican Primary besides this guy...

...and he beat them all, along with whoever else you might have been rooting for.

Whine all you want about The Donald, not gonna change that you are still stuck with him for the next 4/8 years. He's better than the alternative and already accomplishing things most had figured wouldn't be seen in our lifetimes.

Whatever happens with Obamacare, we know it won't be advanced to single payer as it would have otherwise.

 

[Dddrees]

...and he beat them all, along with whoever else you might have been rooting for.

Whine all you want about The Donald, not gonna change that you are still stuck with him for the next 8 years. He's better than the alternative and already accomplishing things most had figured wouldn't be seen in our lifetimes.

He did, but that was only for four years. Time will only tell if he can possibly win re-election. Besides the election, the only things he has been able to accomplish rightly or wrongly is via executive order with two of those currently on hold by the court. Whether or not he really accomplishes anything but making a mess we'll have to wait and see.

 

[jamil]

Trump is proving that he isn't a genius. I wish my criticism was something stupid....like born in Kenya. Unfortunately, we've got Jed Clampett and his kinfolk running the administration.

Or maybe the Addams family. A dye job and Melanoma looks like Morticia. Bannon as Uncle Fester. Jared as Pugsly......

Mission accomplished.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

 

[churchmouse]

He did, but that was only for four years. Time will only tell if he can possibly win re-election. Besides the election, the only things he has been able to accomplish rightly or wrongly is via executive order with two of those currently on hold by the court. Whether or not he really accomplishes anything but making a mess we'll have to wait and see.

As to all of this.....we were already a mess. The swamp is a good way to put it. No one man is going to get this cleaned up if it ever will be. All Trump is doing for us is keeping the ship off the rocks for a short time. Had Billary won we would be steering straight for the reef.

 

[Dddrees]

As to all of this.....we were already a mess. The swamp is a good way to put it. No one man is going to get this cleaned up if it ever will be. All Trump is doing for us is keeping the ship off the rocks for a short time. Had Billary won we would be steering straight for the reef.

Trump and his administration to this point have only been able to demonstrate how incompetent and dangerous they can possibly be. The lack of transparency and alternative facts not only make us look like a joke are extremely dangerous given his huge ego. Trust me I know more than the generals. Or as President I know more than anybody.

The recent actions of the House Intelligent Commitee Chairman Nunes not only compromise his integrity but also make Trump and his campaign look even more guilty. No smoking gun yet but his actions were extremely inappropriate. You would think if not guilty of anything it would be in their best interest to conduct the investigation as open and above board as possible.

You hate Hillary but your willing to execuse Trump when in actuality there's no reason as Americans we should tolerate eithers actions as being acceptable for any reason.

 

[jamil]

An eye roll?

Dude.

This is INGO.

That didn't even make it over the net.

I use the eyeroll to put wicked backspin on the ball. It's unreturnable. But using the eyroll by itself is just a rookie move.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

You hate Hillary but your willing to execuse Trump when in actuality there's no reason as Americans we should tolerate eithers actions as being acceptable for any reason.

There are plenty of people here willing to criticize both. We are very aware of how awful Clinton is and would have been, but also retain cautious optimism and healthy criticism of Trump and his administration. Perhaps the General 2017 Politics thread is for you.

Be prepared to be accused of loving Hillary and being a closet Democrat, though.

 

[T.Lex]

I use the eyeroll to put wicked backspin on the ball. It's unreturnable. But using the eyroll by itself is just a rookie move.

The only defense to a wicked backspin eye roll is a clever one liner (TWSS is always trump) leading to a...

 

[jamil]

Trump and his administration to this point have only been able to demonstrate how incompetent and dangerous they can possibly be. The lack of transparency and alternative facts not only make us look like a joke are extremely dangerous given his huge ego. Trust me I know more than the generals. Or as President I know more than anybody.

The recent actions of the House Intelligent Commitee Chairman Nunes not only compromise his integrity but also make Trump and his campaign look even more guilty. No smoking gun yet but his actions were extremely inappropriate. You would think if not guilty of anything it would be in their best interest to conduct the investigation as open and above board as possible.

You hate Hillary but your willing to execuse Trump when in actuality there's no reason as Americans we should tolerate eithers actions as being acceptable for any reason.

All of that depends on actual facts. What do you believe are the facts and what are your sources? Who is telling the truth about what? Who has a reason to lie? That last question is unfortunately the easiest to answer. They all do.

 

[actaeon277]

So, if people don't want Trump, maybe the Democrats shouldn't have put up a Socialist, and a Thief. And the Republican should stop putting up bland people that no one cares about.

 

[T.Lex]

And INGO (perhaps including myself) should probably stop arguing about primaries and elections.

Trump is POTUS for the next 2/4/8 years. Another few weeks and he starts owning his actions (IMHO) and the consequences.

 

[Dddrees]

All of that depends on actual facts. What do you believe are the facts and what are your sources? Who is telling the truth about what? Who has a reason to lie? That last question is unfortunately the easiest to answer. They all do.

As I said the chairman of the house commitee who is in charge of the Russia investigation of meddling in the election and possible collusion of the trump campaign, his actions were extremely questionable. To this point there is no proof, but his actions are highly questionable. It's unfortunate from the get go that the speaker didn't replace him considering he was on the Trump transition team. But even so if your investigating someone you certainly don't do what Nunes did the other day of reporting to the one your investigating and not discuss the supposed evidence with the other members of the commitee. Not only this but he continues to act extremely suspicious with the cancelation of open hearings and questionable rescheduling.

 

[Alpo]

Mission accomplished.

You've managed to push yourself into the Trumpster category. Enjoy.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

You've managed to push yourself into the Trumpster category. Enjoy.

> one of the more vocal critics of Trump
> in "trumpster category"