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Right. She should have shaved.Not sure which is worse.
The nose
Or the 'moustache'
I was probably 14 and shaved more than that.Right. She should have shaved.
Up for whatever time.NWI M&E 2 PM Saturday, April 1st.
Shoops, Crown Point, IN.
James n AlexV and 2A Tom.
I wasn't planning on going to CP but combining with a M&E would get me out of the house. Either day, any time.NWI M&E 2 PM Saturday, April 1st.
Shoops, Crown Point, IN.
James n AlexV and 2A Tom.
Personally I would want to chronograph them out of a Hellcat and use gel to make sure the hollow points were functioning and were achieving expansion as well as verify there was sufficient penetration. Only then would I even consider carrying these. YMMV.New ammo arrived yesterday morning.
Liberty Overwatch
9mm +P ammo, 70 grain lead free/nickel plated copper JHP projectiles, claims to be traveling 1740 feet per second (4" test barrel), delivers 472 foot pounds of energy.
Shooting it from a sub-compact 18-ounce Springfield Hellcat I have some quick thoughts. YIKES, don't want to be in front of this gun, the blast is somewhat more exciting than when traditional weight bullets that fly out the barrel at traditional speeds.
OBSERVATIONS:
I can see why this is attractive for personal defense. Low chances of over-penetration. Seriously LOW recoil, so fast follow up shots, no problems for people with arthritic hands, little old ladies, etc. And the low weight is weird, feels like carrying an empty gun. As for the loud blast noise, hey, if you fire off a round in your house ANY blast is going to sound loud but you probably NEED to fire off the round. At my range, it was noticeably a bit louder. Curious to see how the muzzle blast is different in LOW LIGHT conditions?
- Extra loud BANG when you touch off the trigger
- RECOIL??? What recoil? Honestly 1/2 the felt recoil of traditional 147 grain self defense ammo
- Reliable cycling (so far)
- LIGHT weight, not just the bullet but the components, so carrying a full magazine feels like carrying an empty magazine.
- I like it
We could meet at your house.I'm not sure right now about the M&E. Mama Snap is still pretty weak and not eating much.
There is a reason I bought a 1/2 CASE of this ammo to test.That's the problem with gimmick rounds,.....all you have to go by is the marketing that the manufacturer puts out. Very little serious independent testing gets done. I'm a whole lot more comfortable with top tier defensive ammo that's accepted by LE. Something that I can actually afford to put a few hundred rounds through MY gun to assure function.
That said, I understand that sometimes you're trying to do something that isn't 'standard', like looking for a seriously low recoil round. In that case, best you can do is look critically at the 'advertised' advantages and find as many youtube tests as you can,.....and still put at least a hundred of those expensive rounds downrange to be somewhat sure your gun likes them. And then you need to stock up on a few hundred more because if they change or goob you're back to square one.
Even at short ranges - penetration is always an issue, expansion is always an issue.Realize we are talking about shots in the range of 1 to 30 feet with a typical range under 12 feet. Penetration is not an issue, velocity loss is not an issue, and expansion is not an issue.
Yes Barnes makes all copper bullets but they are not a great example for your point. Barnes does not make the ultra light bullets. I certainly bet they have looked into it. They make 115gr XPB bullets for their Vor-Tx ammunition and 115gr TAC-XP bullets for their TAC-XPD ammunition, nothing lighter for 9mm. They do make 80 gr and 90 gr bullets but they only sell those in 380 ammunition when the ammunition is manufactured. Maybe you could buy those and load them in 9mm yourself.Heck look at hunting rounds, the Barnes bullets have been around for 20+ years, are all copper, and were originally thought to be inferior but now are considered premium performance rounds.
My concern would be verifying that velocity and performance out of the Hellcat barrel. Maybe some of the videos you mention use a similarly short barrel. That would be a great indicator.But I also see pretty dramatic improvements in performance.
FMJ round nose (ball) ammo is used in the military because expanding rounds are forbidden by the Geneva Convention.Not sure if this is considered new school thinking in terms of what ammo to carry... But I carry/load good ol fashion ball ammo. It's what I used in the military, it's what I use to practice with...it's just what I know the best and adds to the confidence of landing shots where I intend them to be.
Thoughts?