Like the poor soul victim said while bleeding out in the street......”but I couldn’t find my dot.......”
I've carried my MOS RDS guns around the property for 8ish months, always switching to old G19 with irons for actual carry on the street. I dry fired fairly extensively early on with the dots. As of late, my "drills" have been the normal routine of pushing out to a "target" anytime the gun goes in or out of the holster, no trigger pulling involved.
Lovemywoods kicked me in the but and got me over to his range to sight in the the RDS guns last week. It went well and by the end of the session his steel was in real trouble. The suggested many reps have paid off and shooting the RDS guns rival my iron sight ability.
I finished the day happy enough with equipment and my own performance to make the switch to carry the MOS/RDS guns. I sold the old iron sighted G19 last week.
I see you made it here and the thread is still operational! Nice.
I'm no help on your VP9 but I am interested in your reasoning for wanting the sight in front and not behind the optic.Random configuration question.
Anyone happen to know whether it's possible to mill a VP9 slide for a RMR footprint with the back up sights in front of the optic?
I'm not sold on the idea of having the dot between rear and front irons, but I have yet to see a VP9 set up any other way.
It seems like there would be room to bring the optic cut all the way back to the current rear site channel and just cut a new dove tail in front of the RDS, but I don't see any major shops offering that configuration.
This might be what I am experiencing.I am finding the skills needed to shoot a pistol optic appear to be improving my iron sights skills as well. Check out Aaron Cowen's RDS videos (Sage Dynamics).
I'm sure you're aware of much of this, but bear with me. And I'll readily admit I'm coming at this from a position of theory vs. experience, as my time spent with pistol red dots is very limited.I am interested in your reasoning for wanting the sight in front and not behind the optic.
I'm sure you're aware of much of this, but bear with me. And I'll readily admit I'm coming at this from a position of theory vs. experience, as my time spent with pistol red dots is very limited.
The main benefit of the red dot is having that single focal plane. Put the dot on target and press the trigger. This is unlike the multiple focal planes of traditional iron sights (Pick up front sight, shift focus to rear sight to get alignment with front post, shift focus to the target to confirm overall sight alignment, shift focus back to the front site, press trigger).
If you put your optic between your BUIS, then you're essentially adding the potential for a fourth focal plane, the dot itself. If I'm focused on the target I want the dot to be the first thing I see as the gun comes up into focus on the presentation. If the sight is behind the optic, it can end up blocking the dot even if it's in the window. A pretty good presentation with the muzzle just slightly up can send you looking for the dot that you would otherwise see if the rear sight wasn't there. I worry that even if I know the dot is behind the sight, I will find myself focused on that rear sight waiting for the dot to clear it, rather than staying focused on the target. Or I'll assume it's behind the sight when it's not.
Yes, this can be trained around, and the draw stroke and presentation drills eventually can make this a moot point, but since I'm just starting out, I want my focus to be on learning the red dot as if the iron sites don't exist. I want to give myself every chance to be successful that I can. I don't want to get sucked into trying to use the irons to find the dot. I worry if I put the rear sight behind the dot then that's what's going to happen. With the back up sight in front of the optic, the dot will be the first thing I see provided I do my part to get a decent presentation.