New BATF ruling on stabilizing braces today

[KLB]

but I dont see how simply joining a group that is suing gives you cover outside of the district.

Well, I never understood how it covered those that join after the lawsuit was filed, so....

 

[Cameramonkey]

Well, I never understood how it covered those that join after the lawsuit was filed, so....

Ditto. I cant join a class action after the fact. So I dont see how this is different.

 

[indyblue]

Ditto. I cant join a class action after the fact. So I dont see how this is different.

How many class action suites have ever been related to a constitutional right?

I have no idea, just asking the question. Most CAS's are only about disputes between companies and their customers, the 2A applies to everyone regardless if they own firearms or not.

 

[JAL]

Still illegal unless you are a member of one of the groups covered in a lawsuit

And probably also under the jurisdiction of the court it is in. IANAL but generally speaking at the district level, when a ruling is made it only covers those in the district and no one else. That ruling can be refereneced by other district courts if they want to offer a similar ruling, but I dont see how simply joining a group that is suing gives you cover outside of the district.

People are split as to whether a member outside the district would actually be covered.

Personally, I wouldnt risk it. But you do you.

What KLB said.

As of today, FPC is still telling all its members nationwide that they and the immediate family living with them are covered by the 5th Circuit Court injunction, without regard to when they joined FPC. That communication isn't a Press Release, or a Blog Post, or some other general notice on its site, it's a personal communication to each of its members individually, by name.

The 5th Circuit Court instructed the District Court Judge, Reed O'Connor on the 1st of August to rule on a Preliminary Injunction within 60 days, and that the 5th Circuit's injunction would run until then. That expires on or about October 1st. I haven't counted the days on the calendar. There have been several filings in the O'Connor's District Court, the last one about ten days ago. That specific case is Mock v Garland, which includes FPC and Defense Distributed.

FWIW, Mock v. Garland and the several similarly filed and enjoined lawsuits (GOA, SAF, NAGR, etc.) pending an O'Connor decision are NOT considered a Class Action, which would be a "class" of people. They are considered lawsuits on behalf of ALL their respective organizations' members as plaintiffs -- in addition to the other named plaintiffs which include some companies. If any were a Class Action, it (they) would cover all pistol brace owners as a "class" nationally, not just various organization members.

 

[Cameramonkey]

What KLB said.

As of today, FPC is still telling all its members nationwide that they and the immediate family living with them are covered by the 5th Circuit Court injunction, without regard to when they joined FPC. That communication isn't a Press Release, or a Blog Post, or some other general notice on its site, it's a personal communication to each of its members individually, by name.

The 5th Circuit Court instructed the District Court Judge, Reed O'Connor on the 1st of August to rule on a Preliminary Injunction within 60 days, and that the 5th Circuit's injunction would run until then. That expires on or about October 1st. I haven't counted the days on the calendar. There have been several filings in the O'Connor's District Court, the last one about ten days ago. That specific case is Mock v Garland, which includes FPC and Defense Distributed.

FWIW, Mock v. Garland and the several similarly filed and enjoined lawsuits (GOA, SAF, NAGR, etc.) pending an O'Connor decision are NOT considered a Class Action, which would be a "class" of people. They are considered lawsuits on behalf of ALL their respective organizations' members as plaintiffs -- in addition to the other named plaintiffs which include some companies. If any were a Class Action, it (they) would cover all pistol brace owners as a "class" nationally, not just various organization members.

Im not trying to rehash this stupid logic again. I didnt say outright that we werent covered here. Just that it makes absolutely no sense that folks joining after the suit was filed should be eligible. Its like a get out of jail free card.

 

[SnoopLoggyDog]

Ditto. I cant join a class action after the fact. So I dont see how this is different.

I agree with you. Have already replaced the 10" barrel on a 9mm AR pistol for a 16" barrel.

On another pistol, I installed a fake supressor by pinning and welding it onto the muzzle. It now has a 17" long barrel. Will probably end up selling both firearms in the near future.

The current administration is going to keep pressing these issues, and then make many more rules until they eventually nullify the 2nd amendment.

 

[Alamo]

Im not trying to rehash this stupid logic again. I didnt say outright that we werent covered here. Just that it makes absolutely no sense that folks joining after the suit was filed should be eligible. Its like a get out of jail free card.

What if you have this backwards?
Why would it make sense to exclude people who join the organization after the initiation of the lawsuit?

It reminds me of the arguments in Texas when your concealed handgun license law was first implemented. Some people didn’t want to make licensed carry available to non-Texas residents because it was somehow unfair, or to punish them for living in another state, or ??

Me, I was like ”spread the glory of the 2A as far as possible” within the limits of the law and the politics, As long as we had to have a stupid permit anyway.

Likewise, render the brace rule, and every other stupid rule of the ATF as meaningless as possible, by every action possible. Shoehorn everyone into the injunction via FPC or SAF or whoever until the stupid rule is done away with.

 

[bobzilla]

I agree with you. Have already replaced the 10" barrel on a 9mm AR pistol for a 16" barrel.

On another pistol, I installed a fake supressor by pinning and welding it onto the muzzle. It now has a 17" long barrel. Will probably end up selling both firearms in the near future.

The current administration is going to keep pressing these issues, and then make many more rules until they eventually nullify the 2nd amendment.

Sorry but this is how we keep losing ground on our rights. We keep giving in.

I will not comply.

 

[Route 45]

I agree with you. Have already replaced the 10" barrel on a 9mm AR pistol for a 16" barrel.

On another pistol, I installed a fake supressor by pinning and welding it onto the muzzle. It now has a 17" long barrel. Will probably end up selling both firearms in the near future.

The current administration is going to keep pressing these issues, and then make many more rules until they eventually nullify the 2nd amendment.

You should probably get ahead of them and sell them all right now.

 

[d.kaufman]

Sorry but this is how we keep losing ground on our rights. We keep giving in.

I will not comply.

This. There's only 3 choices.

1) Non-compliance
2) Refresh the tree of Liberty
3) Be a bitch to .gov (comply)

I'll start with #1. Hopefully never need #2, but will never be #3

 

[bwframe]

Trump was at Palmetto State Armory today. The Palmetto owner got him to say that he would fix the ATF pistol brace issue if elected. (Just after 8:15 mark in video.)

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Trump was at Palmetto State Armory today. The Palmetto owner got him to say that he would fix the ATF pistol brace issue if elected.

 

[Cameramonkey]

Bull crap. You had your chance to stop it when you were in office. You even agreed that it was a good idea at the time. So eff ALL the way off. We can see right through your pandering.

 

[Squirt239]

Agreed....

He also promised a hearing protection act, yet chose to make an executive order on bump stocks.....

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Bull crap. You had your chance to stop it when you were in office. You even agreed that it was a good idea at the time. So eff ALL the way off. We can see right through your pandering.

Pistol braces, or bump stocks? I thought bump stocks were his screw up and pistol braces were under Biden.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Pistol braces, or bump stocks? I thought bump stocks were his screw up and pistol braces were under Biden.

One probably saved millions of lives and the other was a terrible overstep by a democrat.

 

[Cameramonkey]

Pistol braces, or bump stocks? I thought bump stocks were his screw up and pistol braces were under Biden.

Bump stocks came to mind. Either way, my statement stands. He wasnt man enough to stand up to the ATF then, he wont now.

 

[Ingomike]

Bull crap. You had your chance to stop it when you were in office. You even agreed that it was a good idea at the time. So eff ALL the way off. We can see right through your pandering.

What action did Trump take on braces?

 

[Alamo]

Trump and The Turtle saved the 2nd Amendment (and a lot of other things) with their SCOTUS appointments. Whatever their other faults, this was monumental. Pissin’ an’ moanin‘ over the pistol brace and the bump stock rules – – which are delightfully being used to bludgeon the ATF – – is churlish.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Trump and The Turtle saved the 2nd Amendment (and a lot of other things) with their SCOTUS appointments. Whatever their other faults, this was monumental. Pissin’ an’ moanin‘ over the pistol brace and the bump stock rules – – which are delightfully being used to bludgeon the ATF – – is churlish.