New AR Tier Chart

[Brad69]

Brad you should make a list of the different AR's that run reliably, and those which you have personally seen do not.
I believe that would help people decide on which one is reliable, and good to go vs those that are problematic.
IMO that would be more useful than a unproven tier list.
Feeling might get hurt, but truth usually does hurt.

@DadSmith

I keep some notes we have several classes this year I will make a list and update it. You are right it’s gonna cause some butt hurt. I gonna do the same for pistols that’s gonna be more painful.

thanks for the idea !

 

[gregr]

@DadSmith

I keep some notes we have several classes this year I will make a list and update it. You are right it’s gonna cause some butt hurt. I gonna do the same for pistols that’s gonna be more painful.

thanks for the idea !

I would love to see both lists, the AR`s as well as the pistols.

 

[DadSmith]

@DadSmith

I keep some notes we have several classes this year I will make a list and update it. You are right it’s gonna cause some butt hurt. I gonna do the same for pistols that’s gonna be more painful.

thanks for the idea !

It will be very useful.
I'll be looking forward to the information.

 

[Dean C.]

Brad you should make a list of the different AR's that run reliably, and those which you have personally seen do not.
I believe that would help people decide on which one is reliable, and good to go vs those that are problematic.
IMO that would be more useful than a unproven tier list.
Feeling might get hurt, but truth usually does hurt.

That’s generally why the Gucci tier guns have military contracts , governments have the $$ to run reliability tests, most civilians do not, especially with the cost of 5.56/.223 now a days.


As to a higher end versus mid tier gun you get a better barrel, trigger and ergonomics generally. With my LWRC I got a really nice HBAR barrel, very aesthetically pleasing upper design with the rail blending with the upper seamlessly, plus a fully ambi lower. The only thing I changed were the charging handle and trigger.

 

[DadSmith]

That’s generally why the Gucci tier guns have military contracts , governments have the $$ to run reliability tests, most civilians do not, especially with the cost of 5.56/.223 now a days.


As to a higher end versus mid tier gun you get a better barrel, trigger and ergonomics generally. With my LWRC I got a really nice HBAR barrel, very aesthetically pleasing upper design with the rail blending with the upper seamlessly, plus a fully ambi lower. The only thing I changed were the charging handle and trigger.

I'm a fan of LWRCI and LaRue myself.

 

[jwamplerusa]

That’s generally why the Gucci tier guns have military contracts , governments have the $$ to run reliability tests, most civilians do not, especially with the cost of 5.56/.223 now a days.


As to a higher end versus mid tier gun you get a better barrel, trigger and ergonomics generally. With my LWRC I got a really nice HBAR barrel, very aesthetically pleasing upper design with the rail blending with the upper seamlessly, plus a fully ambi lower. The only thing I changed were the charging handle and trigger.

What is your scope and trigger? I went with an SLT1 and Strike Eagle 1-8 FFP.

 

[Dean C.]

What is your scope and trigger? I went with an SLT1 and Strike Eagle 1-8 FFP.

Trijicon Accupower 1-8 with an offset RMR the trigger is an Elftman Tactical Match trigger it’s awesome.

 

[Expat]

Saw this at the X and thought of you might get a kick out of it.

 

[DadSmith]

@DadSmith

I keep some notes we have several classes this year I will make a list and update it. You are right it’s gonna cause some butt hurt. I gonna do the same for pistols that’s gonna be more painful.

thanks for the idea !

Hey Brad are you close to posting that list?

 

[Brad69]

I will we have a class Saturday that will give us more feedback.

 

[DMTJAGER]

I'll take my XXX#s of mid tier b AR's a buttload of parts for my mid tier b ARs all day everyday VS ONE of anything above it.
Mosin Nagant and AKS were anything but Gucci but they both got the job done very very well indeed. I guess my AR's are the Mosin Nagant/SKS of AR's.

 

[G19G26]

Should have applied purple. Here goes again...
If you don't have one of these stainless steel buffer tubes your AR-15 drops down a few tiers. We all know the most expensive parts is what makes it a top tier firearm.

I'll say this if you aren't paying attention on an AR build it can get expensive quickly. I know from experience.

I've got a few AR-15 and an AR-10 that I spent way to much on parts, and I could have bought a decent brand name rifle for less especially on those black Friday sales.

But where is the pride in knowing You assembled it ? I've built several tier 2 weapons and proud as can be that I did it.

 

[Dean C.]

Saw this at the X and thought of you might get a kick out of it.

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I have 100% said something very similar to that at some point , I don’t get my stuff from the lowest bidder that’s for sure, not the most expensive stuff , but it’s nice.

 

[Hookeye]

I'm old and cranky and just want stuff right from the get go.
Hedging that bet means spending more money up front.
It aint about braggin rights. For me its just avoiding hassle (hopefully).
Unfortunately, I think some mid level stuff (whatever the product) has dropped in quality.
Too many manufacturers are going cheap, relying on name, and think John Q is gonna tolerate it.
Appliances, guns, cars etc.

 

[Hookeye]

From recent observation, I'd put Anderson above Aero LOL

Guess I'm getting old n grumpy (er)......go budget or go big, forget the middle ground.

 

[Kelsey73]

There are so many brands on this one compared to ones I’ve seen before.

 

[Brad69]

So here is the “list” !

This a sample of 5 classes about 80 students. I have excluded user induced malfunctions.
Wilson - 0
SIG - 0
SA- 0
Ruger - 0
LaRue - 0
Bushmaster - 0
DPMS - 0
Colt - 0
FN - 0
Windham - 0
HK - 0
LWRC - 0
BCM - 0

PSA - 4 broken firing pin, bad extractor spring , failure to extract , multiple stove pipes

Anderson - 3 pattern like a shotgun like 12 MOA x 2 , bad trigger spring

S&W - 1 weapon was dirty but should have worked IMO

DD - 1 broken trigger spring it was a LEO duty weapon

Frankengun - 10 too many to list

Other
Bren - 0
Beretta - 0
All AK,s - 0

 

[Expat]

So here is the “list” !

This a sample of 5 classes about 80 students. I have excluded user induced malfunctions.
Wilson - 0
SIG - 0
SA- 0
Ruger - 0
LaRue - 0
Bushmaster - 0
DPMS - 0
Colt - 0
FN - 0
Windham - 0
HK - 0
LWRC - 0

PSA - 4 broken firing pin, bad extractor spring , failure to extract , multiple stove pipes

Anderson - 3 pattern like a shotgun like 12 MOA , failure to fire weak trigger spring

S&W - 1 weapon was dirty but should have worked IMO

DD - 1 broken trigger spring it was a LEO duty weapon

Frankengun - 10 too many to list

Other
Bren - 0
Beretta - 0
All AK,s - 0

So none at the top had malfunctions? were those half of the 80? Quarter? So the home builds had 10 malfunctions? Was that all of them? Build errors or cheap ****** parts?

 

[Brad69]

Yes the top with - 0 were flawless and accurate. They are about 40% of what we see at classes.
S&W is very popular about 10% normally they are reliable but facts are facts.

The home builds have both issues lots of cheap parts or wrong parts. Sometimes the guys fire a mag and think they are good.

Some are sample of one like HK and Wilson if they malfunction I would be shocked. They are like a well made woman.

@Gaffer
@ditcherman
Both have good home builds so not all is lost.

 

[joe138]

So here is the “list” !

This a sample of 5 classes about 80 students. I have excluded user induced malfunctions.
Wilson - 0
SIG - 0
SA- 0
Ruger - 0
LaRue - 0
Bushmaster - 0
DPMS - 0
Colt - 0
FN - 0
Windham - 0
HK - 0
LWRC - 0
BCM - 0

PSA - 4 broken firing pin, bad extractor spring , failure to extract , multiple stove pipes

Anderson - 3 pattern like a shotgun like 12 MOA x 2 , bad trigger spring

S&W - 1 weapon was dirty but should have worked IMO

DD - 1 broken trigger spring it was a LEO duty weapon

Frankengun - 10 too many to list

Other
Bren - 0
Beretta - 0
All AK,s - 0

What is the round count for this class?