I agree whole-heartedly. Just joking about Mossberg being better. I've never actually shot a Remington so I can't say either way.Ahh well I don't think one is necessarily better than the other, just different is all.
My main concern is that educational threads like this are devoid of as much misinformation as possible, I am not saying the misinformation is intentional, I am just saying we should try to be as clear & concise as possible simply because there are so much bad information on boards like this that the people who tout their experience with something as "heard it on an online forum" have really become a joke of sorts.
And sorry man I thought your shotgun was the one that had the pistol grip originally & when you swapped it out for a standard stock the bolt was to long causing a clearence issue with part of the tang safety mechanism.
Wonder who's shotgun that was now ...
The 870's do seem to hold value a little better than the mossberg's. My .02 Thanks
Depends on the use. I've been looking at getting a shotgun for some home defense. Mossberg wins hands down for many, many reasons. See this link for a great article that will settle your mind:
http://members.tripod.com/~jth8260/870.html
Most people agree for hunting Rem 870 is smoother and makes a better hunting gun.
**Remington introduced the 870 Express in 1987 so every gun before that is a Wingmaster. For much cheaper than a new express you can get a high quality older Wingmaster that will be so smooth with great wood.
Your size and strength means nothing to mother nature and the laws of physics. I could teach a 10 year old to outgun you if you use a pistol grip only pump gun. Add the useless but cool looking POS vertical foregrip and I might be willing to say an 8 year old could beat you. Regardless, you will never win a gun fight with that rig. Not trying to be rude here, just pointing out a serious flaw in your facts and tactics.Yeah, I am a little bit smaller than you, I am 5'8'' and 210, but I am also a personal fit nut (I work out 5 days a week) so the grip/recoil isn't going to be that big of a problem for me.
Same here, they'll never know what hit em.
Just to clarify a few WTF's in here.18+1 capacity-is that with 2 3/4" or 3" shells?
I'm just asking because 18 rounds laid end to end would be 50" long (more than 4 feet) and unless the extended tube goes beyond the barrel, I've never heard of a 4' barrel. Does it point well?
got pics?
For HD, safety off, chamber empty, action open, rounds in side saddle or belt nearby, with either gun, either stock. If things are hot in the hood, action is open with a round riding on the bolt.The pistol grip would be better on the Rem because the safety is on the back of the trigger guard, but the action is to the front of the trigger guard. This means that you still have to reach to the front of the trigger guard to release the action, making the pistol grip a hindrance. The Mossy safety is on top so you would have to disengage it prior to taking a proper grip. The action is to the the rear of the trigger guard making it easier to reach though.... So if you are holding either with a solid grip, on the pistol grip, you are going to have to readjust........... If you just use the traditional stock, it was designed for, then you are in a perfect position to use the weight of the weapon for a solid grip and a fluid butt stroke motion. In my opinion I would use the Mossy (M590a1 with Ghost Ring Sights) with the standard stock. Then you have a perfectly accessible safety and action release, not to mention a hefty club. Both are solid time tested designs and either is a fine tool.
For HD, safety off, chamber empty, action open, rounds in side saddle or belt nearby, with either gun, either stock. If things are hot in the hood, action is open with a round riding on the bolt.
Tactical reloads are made on an open bolt or into the mag tube. You only need to operate the action IF the gun fails. You can operate the action by pulling the trigger but why close the action on an empty chamber?
This is where the 870 is great, with an oversized bolt you can operate/check the safety with the second knuckle of your trigger finger. Shoulder gun, keep it there and start pulling the trigger. No need to ever adjust once the gun is mounted. Small stuff but split seconds count under pressure.
How do you get your thumb caught in an 870? You must have been trying hard to do that?
I gots ta know.
A true debate is 870 vs Model 12.
Put up a pic of your thumb! There has to be more to this, like a grossly enlarged ape like knuckle? I solved the mystery of the infamous Knoxx stock slap but this "870 thumb" really has my interest.Umm all you have to do is slank a shell into the magazine tube, the 870 does the rest.
For me, the grab in an instant gun is a handgun. With shotgun I have a little more time to think when I grab it so I want the option of buck or slug and even choice of larger buck or #4 buck for my first shot.I keep my 590 fully loaded, with one in the chamber w/safety on safe.
That way all I have to do is mount the shotgun, get a sight picture, flick the safety with my thumb & depress the trigger.
But if that system works for you thats great!
Because I said so and it is the internet and I know Shooter521.UM, Why is owning a Saiga gay? I want one and don't lean that way. If we are going to start throwing in other models to compare I would bring in my Ithaca Model 37. Great gun I have in 12 and 20. Really like bottom eject. My wife who is lefty uses the 20. Great home defense with original deer slayer on it. Again just my .02 Thanks
Put up a pic of your thumb! There has to be more to this, like a grossly enlarged ape like knuckle? I solved the mystery of the infamous Knoxx stock slap but this "870 thumb" really has my interest.