Indeed! That is impressive.
He is saving a tenth or two by staging his hands ready to clear his garment though. My opinion (which doesn't matter) is that hands should be in a more neutral position such as at sides or a surrender position with wrist above shoulders. My concealed draw times would definitely be better if I started with my support hand ready to hook my shirt.
Another thing is, I think someone else should operate the timer or the delay should be random. Using a fixed delay allows you to anticipate when the beep is going to happen, whether you realize you're doing it or not.
Is there some arms race in the training industry to have the toughest standards for whatever coin/certificate/geegaw you get? Serious question, are these primarily a marketing ploy where the standards are arbitrary (or what the instructor feels they can routinely demonstrate) or is there some meaning, some correlation to the "test" that's relevant to a pursuit outside the test?
Not singling out this particular test, I'm just seeing more and more instructors with their own "the test".
Shooting these drills from concealment is killing my accuracy (my times are great, though).
When I take down the tarp I've been hiding behind and can see the targets, my accuracy improves somewhat but my times start to increase.
Any help would be appreciated.
I'm going to to go out on a limb here because I'm not an authority in these matters.
I've been thinking about this thread since I read it.
I'll have to put some of this stuff to a timer because I haven't in quite awhile.
I'm quite certain that I can get close to most of the requirements listed with some concerted effort.
My question is
With the amount of time and work required to get that last tenth of a second , from say 1.12 to 1.00 or .99 to an alpha at 7 yards.
Would that practice time be better spent working on something that that person really sucks at? For instance one handed shooting.
Most regular folks have a limited amount of time to practice he'll most don't really practice at all.
My thought is a respected trainer or school puts standards such as these and there is nothing wrong with them, but they are tough, some will never make them.
Those folks end up practicing the test and nothing else, they will certainly get better at shooting but it is the best use of limited time and ammo?
I'm rambling I'll shut up
I'm going to to go out on a limb here because I'm not an authority in these matters.
I've been thinking about this thread since I read it.
I'll have to put some of this stuff to a timer because I haven't in quite awhile.
I'm quite certain that I can get close to most of the requirements listed with some concerted effort.
My question is
With the amount of time and work required to get that last tenth of a second , from say 1.12 to 1.00 or .99 to an alpha at 7 yards.
Would that practice time be better spent working on something that that person really sucks at? For instance one handed shooting.
Most regular folks have a limited amount of time to practice he'll most don't really practice at all.
My thought is a respected trainer or school puts standards such as these and there is nothing wrong with them, but they are tough, some will never make them.
Those folks end up practicing the test and nothing else, they will certainly get better at shooting but it is the best use of limited time and ammo?
I'm rambling I'll shut up
John Hearne has an interesting graph he put together, regarding automaticity and diminishing returns.
https://www.growingupguns.com/2017/08/23/paul-e-palooza-4-819-202017-day-1/img_4558/
I love that chart and Gabe Whites updated version. Obviously it isn't accurate across the board but I do think it gives a fairly good representation. I hadn't seen that line before about the diminishing returns. Interesting.
Fast and accurate shooting when it is needed would seem to be the correlation. Having a test that would be the measure seems reasonable. Some sort of test to measure skill and progress would seem useful.
The marketing comes into play with coins, badges or pins. People like those and specifically when they have been earned.
I think these coins, pins and standard are fine compared to ninja rolls and stunts or outlandish rants on video that some trainers and schools use to set themselves apart from the field.
The standards are cool goals to aim for, but I have trouble correlating them to objective self defense needs. I wish I was close to that fast, but in my circumstances there are priorities way ahead of those.
I have limited time/money to train with so I've adopted a "master of none" philosophy where I strive to achieve/maintain a basic level of competence in a variety of disciplines, understanding that I lack the time/money/talent to be the "best" at any of them.
At present, I need to switch to a different holster and remaster drawing from it. I need to shoot at least twice as often as I have been of late. I've been doing good on the standup and ground fighting practice, but since I destroyed my ankle on Monday, the crutches are going to hamper everything for a while...
My time and money would be better spent taking an unarmed self defense class than they would be chasing a sub second alpha at 7 yards with concealment.
I’ll allow you onto Team Vigilant, and as soon as the sponsors show up, ammo will be abundant!The standards are cool goals to aim for, but I have trouble correlating them to objective self defense needs. I wish I was close to that fast, but in my circumstances there are priorities way ahead of those.
I have limited time/money to train with so I've adopted a "master of none" philosophy where I strive to achieve/maintain a basic level of competence in a variety of disciplines, understanding that I lack the time/money/talent to be the "best" at any of them.
At present, I need to switch to a different holster and remaster drawing from it. I need to shoot at least twice as often as I have been of late. I've been doing good on the standup and ground fighting practice, but since I destroyed my ankle on Monday, the crutches are going to hamper everything for a while...
I’ll allow you onto Team Vigilant, and as soon as the sponsors show up, ammo will be abundant!
Beards optional, but encouraged. Once the sponsor dollars start coming in, we can look at neck beard implants.Glorious! Is this a neckbeard or no-neckbeard team? If we go neckbeard, I'm going to need a substantial warning in advance. Like months.