I saw cops going to funerals of their fallen officers in uniforms on tax payers' time, but supporting the people's constitutional rights is frowned upon.
I saw cops going to funerals of their fallen officers in uniforms on tax payers' time, but supporting the people's constitutional rights is frowned upon.
So...some of you would continue to "do the job" even if you knew it was wrong and completely contrary to the spirit and letter of the Constitution of these United States?
This^^^.Maybe that's the problem and why on some departments a pattern of rights violations and bad cops seems so prevalent?
I don't know. But a dont see some good cops standing up and "leading the way" and showing good examples and leadership to younger officers who need it as a bad thing. If we were back in the military I'd agree with you. I've said the same for soldiers because its not a democracy. STFU and do your damn job and follow the orders of the officers over you.
Law enforcement isn't the military though no matter how bad some want it to be. And it's not supposed to be.
It takes real courage to say what he did and post it. I know officers on ingo who have taken the same kind of stand over the years on here and spoke up about what they believe and what's right or wrong and I have applauded them just the same. True courage.
Yes I know there are plenty of officers who live it daily and dont speak up. I thanks them too, but sometimes things need said. And what he said was right not wrong. And the actions of his department speaks volumes and shows the known issues within that city.
This man lives the creed. A job is a job. Honor and integrity are eternal.
I respect your view too BBI. I'm not bashing you for what you said.
I'm saying he had the right to do what he did and he knew the possible consequences before he hit post and was good with it. But to live with himself and to be right inside he had to do what he did. I respect people willing to stand for what they believe in.
It's their life. It's part of them so why wouldnt they Express themselves in uniform or in their car?
But I also understand that a lot of employers forbid their employees from expressive personal views or making videos while in uniform. You can be fired for it without permission first.
Because when you're in your uniform and in your car you're perceived to be representing your employer, not just your personal views.
I can attend a political rally or protest on my own time in my own clothes with no repercussions. And have. As a private citizen. But seriously, what would be the optics of in uniform cops on one side of a protest? Would anyone believe the guys there to work were neutral to the message and equally protecting everyone's 1st amendment rights? No, of course not.
Let's remove the .gov angle entirely. If you work for Termanix and show up at the latest anti or pro=-rump rally in your Terminix uniform and driving a distinctive Terminix vehicle, would people assume you are representing Terminix? Does Terminix want to enter into that foray? Or do they want to manage their brand themselves without individual employees going off message?
As a gov't employee, my boss actually has LESS control over my 1st amendment activities then the Terminix boss does. But I still can't represent the department, purposefully or not, with political activity to include campaigning for a given candidate, etc. I personally think that protects the 1st amendment more than it limits it. You maintain all your rights as a private citizen. You just don't get to be the spokesman for your employer.
And eventually they're going to cross someone's line in the sand.Men don't need to take a oath to put on the Terminix uniforms, police men do.
Men in Terminix uniforms don't come to Barber shops to arrest people, police officers have done it.
Men don't need to take a oath to put on the Terminix uniforms, police men do.
Men in Terminix uniforms don't come to Barber shops to arrest people, police officers have done it.
I still do not get the problem even with him being in uniform and why they took issue with his video?
He is basically quoting the constitution and expressing the limits of government/police authority.
Oh wait I just answered my own question.
"He is basically quoting the constitution and expressing the limits of government/police authority."
Democrats don't like to be told there's limits on their granted authority.
He didn't endorse a candidate or anything. The Democrats in his city just dont like freedom so they axed him. This is what it boils down to
This officer's willingness to express his opinion is a sign of the times. Here is another sign of the times, a pastor warning that things will boil over at some point if the constitution is ignored: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fh4mdQrmrlM
Nobody wants violence. Those who fought in the revolution tried to have their concerns heard but eventually said enough is enough and that is all detailed in the Declaration of Independence.
Alternative thought-
Had he not turned his stand into a social media event, he could still be out there exercising the discretion (nearly) every officer has to not oppress citizens and to be a, hopefully, positive influence to others in his department....
Speak softly and ... put away the big stick?
Yeah, screw that. The dude's pushing 400k on the gofundme. Will it stop at a half million???
The patriot can live pretty well, get the massage across and still find a better gig to serve the public.
That guy's not a pastor. He's not leading a flock (anywhere holy, that is); he's engaged in eschatology thumb sucking and nationalism.
You do not know him so why would you say that?
Men don't need to take a oath to put on the Terminix uniforms, police men do.
Men in Terminix uniforms don't come to Barber shops to arrest people, police officers have done it.